American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by #-3

But I think this is where political spectrums might now be all that useful, because the lines between far left and far right are often a lot blurrier than the lines between them and centrists. Getting extreme enough with Libertarian rhetoric and you are basically espousing communism, depending on what issues he personally chose to dwell on around others he might be viewed by those that know him and both extreme left and extreme right.

This is why I am looking less and less at "left" and "right" and more and more at "up" and "down". Everyone knows the Left and the Right.

Up = Corporatism
Down = Populism

American is 99.9% Corporatism. The Republicans and the Democrats are both full on Corporatists and will basically say whatever their corporate overlords tell them to.

Bernie is the 0.1% populist who is fighting for the people and against the corporations that are trying to buy / enslave all of the people.

Trying to look at the spectrums from a "progressive populist" position really just starts to show how the Libs and the Cons are really just doing the same thing but maybe for different Corporate overlords. They want you to pick between Coke vs. Pepsi and they do not want you to know that there is another choice.

[Goriders]

Guess that’s the beauty of political labels. You can forget that people are individuals. Probably easier to dehumanize them if required.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Guess that’s the beauty of political labels. You can forget that people are individuals. Probably easier to dehumanize them if required.

Helps that some of them act like monsters.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Guess that’s the beauty of political labels. You can forget that people are individuals. Probably easier to dehumanize them if required.

Isn't that exactly how Charlie Kirk functioned? Labelled, grouped, and then disparaged? Easy to build a mob that way.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Isn't that exactly how Charlie Kirk functioned? Labelled, grouped, and then disparaged? Easy to build a mob that way.

I mean Goriders literally does the same thing he’s talking about and has done so in this thread but it’s not like he responds to or even reads anything anyone says anyway so I wouldn’t count on an answer.

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by Ped

So you edited your first post to say more information is needed and then copied the same post a minute later?

They had to make sure they had the newest talking points (fiction) from the RW to try and deflect blame.
Everything i have seen is that he is very right wing

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I mean Goriders literally does the same thing he’s talking about and has done so in this thread but it’s not like he responds to or even reads anything anyone says anyway so I wouldn’t count on an answer.

Goriders responded to my post

[ResAlien]

You guys are crazy, it's neat when these guys sealion a thread. Keeps things interesting

[activeStick]

I must be reading the wrong stuff? In the earlier AP article I posted, none of the details really pointed to the shooter being conservative or liberal, but it did say that he didn't like Kirk's views

In the article below, it mentions that he's registered to vote but did not affiliate to any party, so saying he was a Democrat or Republican is false.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/heres-know...5j0RzjH1JfXFCi

He is registered to vote, though he lacks a party affiliation. His parents are registered Republicans.

This article mentions in more detail that the shooter disparaged Kirk. That doesn't tell us he's a Democrat for sure but to me, it would seem he's against all the gross stuff Kirk preached, which would align more to someone with a middle left view on things than a middle conservative view, no? Am I crazy?!

At the dinner table before Kirk came to Utah Valley University for the event at which he was killed, Tyler Robinson talked in disparaging terms about the conservative activist, Cox said at the news briefing.

“They talked about why they didn’t like him and the viewpoints that he had,” Cox said. “The family member also stated Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate.”

Schwiermann said she believes social media may have played a role in shaping his views. “There’s just too much hate out there,” she said. “I know he wasn’t taught those things. I have no hate for him. Even though I loved Charlie Kirk, I’d rather try to understand what was going on in his mind.”

The details on the bullets seem to indicate that the shooter was against fascists and calling Kirk, Trump and the GOP fascists isn't something RWers do.... Again, Am I crazy?!

One of the unfired casings, according to Cox, said: “Oh bella ciao, bella ciao, ciao, ciao.” The lyrics reference the anthem of the antifascist Italian resistance during World War II.

Cox said that another read, “Hey fascist! Catch!”

There must be other articles out there that have other details that point to him being a conservative Republican...

[Blaster86]

The donations to Trump and Trump's super PAC seem to be what people are using to associate him with Trump.

[missdpuck]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I must be reading the wrong stuff? In the earlier AP article I posted, none of the details really pointed to the shooter being conservative or liberal, but it did say that he didn't like Kirk's views

In the article below, it mentions that he's registered to vote but did not affiliate to any party, so saying he was a Democrat or Republican is false.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/heres-know...5j0RzjH1JfXFCi



This article mentions in more detail that the shooter disparaged Kirk. That doesn't tell us he's a Democrat for sure but to me, it would seem he's against all the gross stuff Kirk preached, which would align more to someone with a middle left view on things than a middle conservative view, no? Am I crazy?!



The details on the bullets seem to indicate that the shooter was against fascists and calling Kirk, Trump and the GOP fascists isn't something RWers do.... Again, Am I crazy?!



There must be other articles out there that have other details that point to him being a conservative Republican...

I’ve seen what is supposedly his Discord, which seems to indicate he’s more of a Groyper. But who knows.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I must be reading the wrong stuff? In the earlier AP article I posted, none of the details really pointed to the shooter being conservative or liberal, but it did say that he didn't like Kirk's views

In the article below, it mentions that he's registered to vote but did not affiliate to any party, so saying he was a Democrat or Republican is false.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/heres-know...5j0RzjH1JfXFCi



This article mentions in more detail that the shooter disparaged Kirk. That doesn't tell us he's a Democrat for sure but to me, it would seem he's against all the gross stuff Kirk preached, which would align more to someone with a middle left view on things than a middle conservative view, no? Am I crazy?!



The details on the bullets seem to indicate that the shooter was against fascists and calling Kirk, Trump and the GOP fascists isn't something RWers do.... Again, Am I crazy?!



There must be other articles out there that have other details that point to him being a conservative Republican...

His afifiliation is kind of irrelevant. He appears to have been radicalized in the same ways many youth are today, and it sure isn't getting better. American society is kinda optimized for this, today. The lesson here for Canada should absolutely be to look at a lot of the things the US does, and not do those things here.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

The donations to Trump and Trump's super PAC seem to be what people are using to associate him with Trump.

he did not donate to trump https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/...rump-campaign/

[dissentowner]

I don't care which side he is on, he did the world a favour. That's what matters.

[Drak]

The bullet casing referencing fascism doesn’t necessarily mean anything. I’ve encountered lots of RWrs online who have called people on the left, commies, socialists and fascists. I’ve been called a fascist lots of times by republicans. Seems to lots of people it’s just a dirty slur word with no understanding of meaning.

[stone156]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't care which side he is on, he did the world a favour. That's what matters.

Wow, he was a father. I didn't agree with everything he said but no one deserves that fate for words and debating. You should re think your entitlement to share such hateful personal views on a public forum.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by devo22

as a European, that kind of rhetoric always feels unreal too. Using the Reichstag fire as a casual comparison is insane.

Should've heard it during Covid. Vaccination rules for establishments/travel compared to being forced to wear the Star of David on their arms in the ghettos during World War II. Such a repugnant comparison, always wildly exaggerating.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by missdpuck

I’ve seen what is supposedly his Discord, which seems to indicate he’s more of a Groyper. But who knows.

“ “Groypers” are fans of white nationalist agitator Nick Fuentes who like to hide their racism behind ironic jokes; when Kirk began making an effort to mainstream his ultra-right-wing Turning Point USA movement, Fuentes instructed them to publicly troll Kirk.

A Facebook photo in which Robinson appears to reference a Groyper meme has led to early speculation that Kirk’s killing may have been an outgrowth of these intra-far-right skirmishes. But another feature of the modern far-right is an embrace of the post-truth huckster. In these circles, it’s always possible that someone is playing a character—or will claim to be doing so, muddying the waters so no one can accuse them of having a sincere belief beyond the desire to rile up their targets. For people like this, the whole world is a forum board, where lewd public comments and real-world violence are becoming increasingly interchangeable. (Consider the messages left behind by the deceased shooter of Annunciation Catholic School, which were full of references to both other shooters and innocuous memes.)“

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/stor...-memes-meaning

[Goriders]

Looks like there’s a vigil on Sunday. 7 pm at city hall.

[KelVarnsen]

Lame