American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[The Fonz]

How quickly do we see Tyler Robinson & Decarlos Brown put to death?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Drak

Donald J. Trump rapes kids.

what the! are you trying to get another repub shot??!!

[ResAlien]

Well I dunno pardner, you reckon the legal process has been suspended and they'll go right ahead with public executions without trial? This right wing groyper who killed ol' Charlie hasn't even been actually charged with anything yet I don't believe.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Kash Patel is way out of his depth. At this morning's press conference, he's looking at the camera and talking directly to the now deceased Charlie Kirk, he says
"rest now brother, we have the watch." And "we will meet again in Valhalla".

Didn't you know? Kash and Charlie were highly decorated viking warriors despite neither serving a second of their lives in active service.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Well I dunno pardner, you reckon the legal process has been suspended and they'll go right ahead with public executions without trial? This right wing groyper who killed ol' Charlie hasn't even been actually charged with anything yet I don't believe.

Alas, he doesn't meet the demographic characteristics to qualify for summary execution. Just ask the supreme court.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

what the! are you trying to get another repub shot??!!

It actually seems somewhat likely that he was shot not for the left calling him a fascist, but for being too moderate, like telling other fascist that they should be accepting of some undesirables like legal immigrants and gays, as long as they agree with all of his opinions.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Kash Patel is way out of his depth. At this morning's press conference, he's looking at the camera and talking directly to the now deceased Charlie Kirk, he says
"rest now brother, we have the watch." And "we will meet again in Valhalla".

It was like he was addressing his buddy logging off after a Call of Duty session.

[stone156]

More information is needed.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Both sides clashing on this are hypocrites. And, on some level below the semantics of whats being argued about, both are upset over a similar core issue/injustice.

Its unsurprising that the amount of empathy displayed is proportional to the degree to which a person aligns and resonates with the person upon which the harm was inflicted. That's just a human flaw. A symptom of our dispoprtional affection for celebrities and public figures that we resonate with. They're treated, for whatever stupid human reaon, as bigger than life. And pedestalized. Hence why Kirk is this big deal, while nondescript children people dont have a personal connection to are treated as not much more than another statistic (even though both experienced a similar, awful, tragic ending).

The left is correct in pointing out that, generally speaking, the right is way less outspoken around other instances of gun violence that dont involve a champion of their points of view on the receiving end.

The right is correct in pointing out that the left seem to make exceptions around where empathy should be offered according to a person's history and who/what they align with. Often times the degree to which they're treated as human depends upon who/what they supported in the past and whether that's regarded as morally correct. They're lumped in as being culpable of the wrongs committed by leaders by association. To the left, if you helped to elect a group through your vote and/or influence, then you share blame for all the atrocities committed after the fact. And you'll never be absolved of those past actions.

Dehumanizing someone because of their background is similarly gross as the right"s hypocrisy around what instances of gun violence they're willing to be outspoken about.

In both instances, a level disregard for human life is at the core of the issue.

Right now the right is occupying and relishing the victim's role because of who was the victim. But eventually, those roles will rotate. And whoever was on the receiving end last time will be framed as the perpetrators the next time around. Hence the hypocrisy.

If you can't recognize that humanity, regardless of background or political view, is a collection of groups taking turns doing or saying the ####y thing and that pretending you're of a morally better standing than other humans despite possessing and being susceptible to the same enotional triggers and flaws, then you're living in a modern day matrix, more or less.

Each side just has a different narrative to downplay and cope with the faults of their group and deflect those towards the other. But we're all capable of the same ugliness. Even if you religious. Even if you're a philanthropist. Even if you're a human rights activist. You aren't exempt. The shady and ignorant side of your human nature leaks through in other ways and other places.

At the end of the day, you thinking you've eliminated that shady part of your nature that you passionately point out in others because you identify with and support a particular group or institution (because they have what you deem to be a greater moral sensitivity and standing) is you playing yourself.



Basically, I just say #### politics.

Generally speaking, when people immerse themselves in groups they become dumber. That's because they lose their individual capability for discernment in the larger narrative of the group. And as a group increases its solidarity, there is less tolerance for opposing positions and debate within the group, and more pressure on those that dare to speak up. Enter group polarization. We're slaves to hedonic pleasure, especially today. So that rah-rah comradery is like a hit of good feelings. As is discussing another group or individual's distasteful behavior. It's dopamine. But low level dopamine. You're not talking about solutions (which feels a lot less good because it requires putting away the hatchet, but actually moves things in a meaningful direction). You're fixating on the problems and demonizing and essentially living off those little hits like a crack addict. In all this online quarreling this is what we're seeing. Nothing that corrects an issue. Just people in over their heads with their political posse getting their fix of low level dopamine. No solutions, no healthy and civilized debate on how to diffuse this violence. Just greater division.

So yeah, again, politics (at least what its devolved to today) sucks huge hairy nuts.

[BigThief]

All of that just to say you don't like politics in a politics thread.

[TorqueDog]

^Oh no, it's much, much more stupid than that.

Just declare both sides equally hypocritical, as though moral analysis were just picking teams in a schoolyard brawl. That entire post is abdication posing as insight, and thank goodness he found a way to avoid judging anything at all.

It's cowardice masquerading as even-handedness.

[stone156]

Edited to remove the Guardian quote as they have edited their article.

[Ped]

So you edited your first post to say more information is needed and then copied the same post a minute later?

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by stone156

I'm not sure where this narrative that he's a right wing extremist is coming from.I've read several sources that he's actually the only leftist in his family. Here is a quote from The Guardian
The family member, Cox said, recounted how Robinson had gone over for dinner and mentioned that Kirk was scheduled to speak at UVU. The family member recalled Robinson talking about not liking Kirk and his#viewpoints.

In a phone interview Friday, one of Robinson’s high school friends – who asked to remain anonymous – said that Robinson was “pretty left on everything” and was “the only member of his family that was, like, really leftist”.

“The rest of his family was very hard Republican – like gun-loving, everything,” the friend said. “He was really the only one that was on the left.”

The friend said he was stunned when he saw the news on Friday that Robinson was the suspect in the Kirk case. “I knew he had strong political views,” the friend remarked, “but I never thought it would even go near that far.”

Please post sources.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

^Oh no, it's much, much more stupid than that.

Just declare both sides equally hypocritical, as though moral analysis were just picking teams in a schoolyard brawl. That entire post is abdication posing as insight, and thank goodness he found a way to avoid judging anything at all.

It's cowardice masquerading as even-handedness.

And to add, once again, for crying out loud, people need to stop normalizing extreme fascist viewpoints as 'different political views'

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

^Oh no, it's much, much more stupid than that.

Just declare both sides equally hypocritical, as though moral analysis were just picking teams in a schoolyard brawl. That entire post is abdication posing as insight, and thank goodness he found a way to avoid judging anything at all.

It's cowardice masquerading as even-handedness.

The lines “You're not talking about solutions. You're fixating on the problems and demonizing and essentially living off those little hits like a crack addict” in a post exclusively comprised of problems and not one single solution, complete with the “hit” of being able to critique virtually all of humanity except himself had a peculiar irony to it that doesn’t sit well with me.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by stone156

I'm not sure where this narrative that he's a right wing extremist is coming from.I've read several sources that he's actually the only leftist in his family. Here is a quote from The Guardian
The family member, Cox said, recounted how Robinson had gone over for dinner and mentioned that Kirk was scheduled to speak at UVU. The family member recalled Robinson talking about not liking Kirk and his#viewpoints.

In a phone interview Friday, one of Robinson’s high school friends – who asked to remain anonymous – said that Robinson was “pretty left on everything” and was “the only member of his family that was, like, really leftist”.

“The rest of his family was very hard Republican – like gun-loving, everything,” the friend said. “He was really the only one that was on the left.”

The friend said he was stunned when he saw the news on Friday that Robinson was the suspect in the Kirk case. “I knew he had strong political views,” the friend remarked, “but I never thought it would even go near that far.”

Whichever way he leans politically he’s now a murderer. Hopefully people don’t forget that.

[DownInFlames]

Literally. No. One. In. This. Thread. Has.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by stone156

I'm not sure where this narrative that he's a right wing extremist is coming from.I've read several sources that he's actually the only leftist in his family. Here is a quote from The Guardian
The family member, Cox said, recounted how Robinson had gone over for dinner and mentioned that Kirk was scheduled to speak at UVU. The family member recalled Robinson talking about not liking Kirk and his#viewpoints.

In a phone interview Friday, one of Robinson’s high school friends – who asked to remain anonymous – said that Robinson was “pretty left on everything” and was “the only member of his family that was, like, really leftist”.

“The rest of his family was very hard Republican – like gun-loving, everything,” the friend said. “He was really the only one that was on the left.”

The friend said he was stunned when he saw the news on Friday that Robinson was the suspect in the Kirk case. “I knew he had strong political views,” the friend remarked, “but I never thought it would even go near that far.”

I think the narrative generally comes from the etchings on the shells specifically citing known 4Chan memes. I don't know 4Chan memes, so not something I can confirm. But as far as I know 4Chan is somewhat synonymous with the right. And possibly a view from those on the "left" that living in a republican family and playing with guns as a hobby equates to right wing. Probably a someone unjustified view that is more stereotyping than determinative. Those to facts combined could lead some to a certain conclusion.

But I think this is where political spectrums might now be all that useful, because the lines between far left and far right are often a lot blurrier than the lines between them and centrists. Getting extreme enough with Libertarian rhetoric and you are basically espousing communism, depending on what issues he personally chose to dwell on around others he might be viewed by those that know him and both extreme left and extreme right.

This is why what the sitting US government has been doing, turning the rhetoric towards others not involved, like other political commentators, the democratic party and others is so deeply irresponsible, and dare I say fascist in nature. You might call me a hypocrite or claim I am inciting violence by calling fascists, but the key difference here is I am choosing to comment on their specific actions where they are trying to blame others for his actions.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Never mind.