American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by the fonz

i keep seeing this - is there a video on where he said this?

I wasn't a charlie kirk follower and have only gone down the rabbit hole watching his videos since his assassination.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1800678317030564306

[devo22]

reading up on the details of the shooter, it sounds exactly like the person they didn't want to paint.

Hunting, fishing, happy family. Both parents registered Republicans.

Not that it'll make a difference, they'll just pretend otherwise and run with the "radical left" playbook anyway.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

It still blows my mind how Kash Patel is the head of the FBI. The guy is so unqualified for the job, and you can tell he knows it.

This totally has the vibe of one those old Disney kids movies, where a kid swaps bodies with an adult and the kid is faking it till he makes it in the adult body and pretending like he knows what the eff is going on. I guess the silver lining is, in those movies, by the end, he somehow lucks into solving things using his kid perspective that us adults failed to see, and us plebs are none the wiser. Too bad real life isn't a Disney movie eh?

This is the new normal.

Trump Appoints 22-Year-Old Ex-Gardener and Grocery Store Assistant to Lead U.S. Terror Prevention

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald...rrorist-chief/

[devo22]

it's not new, either. Remember when Jared Kushner was supposed to solve the Middle East?

[EldrickOnIce]

I think bottom line is the suspect is not politically affiliated.
So it's not the 'radical left', in reality.
So let's see how it's spun

Edit - Devo said better

[Fuzz]

And speaking of shootings...

The 16-year-old boy who shot two students and then himself at Evergreen High School this week appeared to espouse white supremacist views online and showed an interest in mass shooters in the days before the attack.

Social media accounts that appear to be connected to shooter Desmond Holly are littered with references to mass shootings and antisemitic views, The Denver Post found.


Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office spokeswoman Jacki Kelley on Thursday said Desmond had been “radicalized through an extremist network,” but declined to offer any additional details. The public accounts offer some insight into what that radicalization might have included.

The accounts also include references to Holocaust denial, and the name of one of the accounts appeared to end with a reference to a prominent white supremacist slogan. That account reposted several videos showing school shooting scenes from movies, as well as another video that appeared to show the two Columbine shooters taking target shots at bowling pins. Other videos the account reposted were explicitly antisemitic or depicted people in Nazi uniforms.

https://www.denverpost.com/2025/09/1...orado-updates/


Ah yes, another radicalized far left shooter...

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

It still blows my mind how Kash Patel is the head of the FBI. The guy is so unqualified for the job, and you can tell he knows it.

what? how? Trump ONLY appoints the incapable, moronic deplorables.

I bet Trump doesn't even realize he is Indian. Once he does he will fire him.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

I think bottom line is the suspect is not politically affiliated.
So it's not the 'radical left', in reality.
So let's see how it's spun

Edit - Devo said better

He went out as Trump for Halloween, I'm pretty sure that's politically affiliated.

[devo22]

bottom line is he sure as #### is no "radical left wokie" like they started screaming two minutes after the attack. They vilified the other side of the aisle without any reason or proof, but lamented "stochastic terrorism" against them in the same sentence. Irony really is dead with these #######s.

[Blaster86]

The issue now isn't the shooter's politics.
The issue now is "the response from the radical left"

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by HOOT

“Wasn’t”? Meaning you are now…

In all seriousness, people are just referring to him citing Leviticus 20:13 during his “debates”.

Leviticus 20:13: If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

I've seen this video where he's quoting the bible in a debate/discussion with a YouTuber, and it seems people have clipped his words out of context. Stephen King admittedly did yesterday and has since apologized for it.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1966484038648021264

https://twitter.com/user/status/1966478537692491892

https://twitter.com/user/status/1966475266626126062

The conversation Kirk had with that YouTuber was when she quoted a bible verse to support Pride celebrations. Kirk responded with “Ms. Rachel, you might wanna crack open that Bible of yours, in a lesser referenced part of the same part of scripture is in Leviticus 18 is that thou shall lay with another man, shall be stoned to death.".

In this instance, it's obvious that he's not saying it's his opinion that a gay person should be stoned to death - he's saying she shouldn't have quoted bible scripture to support her position when that same scripture directly opposes her position.



Are there any other instances where Kirk has allegedly advocated for killing gay people?

[TopChed]

Well I agree with Kirk in this instance then that the bible is absolutely useless for providing moral guidance.

[Fuzz]

Just four months ago, progressive voices were a pillar of FSU’s multicultural and diverse community. Now, their presence on campus is being alienated.
Right-wing organizations on FSU’s campus continue to invite conservative speakers, while the university struggles to address the concerns of progressive groups without facing fervent protest.

Allowing controversial speakers to participate in university-sanctioned events sends a clear message. In this context, giving a platform to figures who openly oppose these views only serves to further isolate those who hold opposing views.

Charlie Kirk’s recent invitation to FSU’s campus by Turning Point USA at FSU is particularly distasteful following the now-repealed mandate from University Housing that eliminated LGBTQ+ housing options. This policy allows LGBTQ+ students to live together if they choose to, providing safety and community.
Kirk, however, has been anything but silent about his hatred for transgender individuals.
“Deep down, everybody knows that trans people are mentally unwell, ” Kirk said in a recent Instagram post.

In an even more recent radio show appearance, Kirk doubled down on this harmful rhetoric, arguing that “they are creepy people,” and adding “they should be fired from their job, and there should be a position that if you are trans, you can’t serve in the intel agencies.”

https://www.fsunews.com/story/opinio...m/80780250007/


He isn't calling for their deaths here, but it's pretty ugly stuff to send to your followers. He says they are mentally ill. So if all his followers believe all trans people are mentally ill, what kind of stigma does that inflict on them as human beings? And people don't think this is hate speech?

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I've seen this video where he's quoting the bible in a debate/discussion with a YouTuber, and it seems people have clipped his words out of context. Stephen King admittedly did yesterday and has since apologized for it.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1966484038648021264

https://twitter.com/user/status/1966478537692491892

https://twitter.com/user/status/1966475266626126062

The conversation Kirk had with that YouTuber was when she quoted a bible verse to support Pride celebrations. Kirk responded with “Ms. Rachel, you might wanna crack open that Bible of yours, in a lesser referenced part of the same part of scripture is in Leviticus 18 is that thou shall lay with another man, shall be stoned to death.".

In this instance, it's obvious that he's not saying it's his opinion that a gay person should be stoned to death - he's saying she shouldn't have quoted bible scripture to support her position when that same scripture directly opposes her position.



Are there any other instances where Kirk has allegedly advocated for killing gay people?

On October 14, 2021, Kirk stated that "the facts that there are only two genders; that transgenderism and gender 'fluidity' are lies that hurt people and abuse kids."[127] In early 2023, Kirk said that transgender women in women's locker rooms should be "taken care of the way we used to take care of things in the 1950s and 60s."

I mean, technically not gay people, but I don't think he was talking about all the tolerant ways people were treated in the 50s & 60s.
So it's not like he's preaching non-violence.

The fact is, the guy has used biblical references for a lot of what he says. So when he quotes the parts about killing gay people, it's not a stretch for people listening to him to think he's advocating for it.

He's used similar passages to claim why Trans people are an "Abomination to god", so why should we give him the benefit of the doubt when he refers to a passage about killing gay people as "God's Perfect Law".
Was he being sarcastic and saying god's law isn't perfect?

[Kybosh]

You know why we no longer say "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me"? Because it's not true. Words have power. Words can hurt people. Words can embolden a populace for good or evil.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Bs&Cs

Also worth noting that the Nazis set the fire.

So that post is interesting for a bunch of different reasons.

Out of all of history, it is certainly telling that these "non-Nazis" continue to compare events to Nazi events...

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It’s mostly an internet thing. The miserable loons who spend all day rage-posting about politics aren’t representative of wider society.



Most people share your belief that all murder is bad and the political identity of the person who was murdered doesn’t change that. The fact those calling out the ghoulish behaviour here are being denounced as right-wingers shows how out of touch with real-world social norms the loons are.

To be fair, the people who have been calling out the ghoulish behaviour are notable rightwingers on this site.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

You know why we no longer say "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me"? Because it's not true. Words have power. Words can hurt people. Words can embolden a populace for good or evil.

If you're willing to accept this premise broadly - and we're not talking about things like defamation or threats or whatever - you're not going to love how the other side of the political spectrum implements their solution to the problem.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Out of all of history, it is certainly telling that these "non-Nazis" continue to compare events to Nazi events...

as a European, that kind of rhetoric always feels unreal too. Using the Reichstag fire as a casual comparison is insane.

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

If you're willing to accept this premise broadly - and we're not talking about things like defamation or threats or whatever - you're not going to love how the other side of the political spectrum implements their solution to the problem.

I don't love anything about the current political landscape globally. I'm genuinely nervous about the world my kids are heading into.