2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

If the Penguins get NYR's pick this year, I would target that - and I would also target NYR's pick in 2026 if that's what moves to the Pens instead. Until Crosby leaves (or if), the Pens are still in 'win now' mode.

Andersson
Coleman (50% - just 2 years left on his deal - more attractive than 1 year on Andersson from Pittsburgh's view)


Maybe that's a bit light for the 12th pick, but maybe the right amount for the 26th pick. I would hate to trade Coleman away, but you have to give to get. Flames need to make some room on the wings as well.

If it does end up being the 12th pick, Flames can then add Florida's pick and maybe move up to 8th? 6th maybe?? Maybe the 18th pick will get them to 6th? Hard to say.

This may all be moot, because if I am Dubas, whether I have Crosby or not is irrelevant - I am not trading any more futures as this team needs to draft and develop a young core. San Jose did so with some vets. LA did it. Washington is doing that. However, maybe the push to try and get into the playoffs is too much to resist.

Disagree. Coleman alone, retained for 2 years, is worth the 26th pick (which in a weak draft is probably worth an early 2nd in a good draft.

Andersson PLUS Coleman, for the 26th is insane. Even for the 12th I don't like it.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I would do 18 for Rossi. No brainer.

Disagree.

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think Rossi is better than either Frost or Zary.

On paper, sure. But I'm not giving up the 18OA for him, and I sure as hell wouldn't add Zary to it.

Another factor here: trading the 18OA (or even the 32OA) for Rossi makes us a little better this year, which means worse picks in the 2026 draft. VERY expensive strategy, especially for a guy who is not someone you build around.

My expectation for the 18OA is to get someone of Rossi's caliber, with the hope that we do better than that. Trading it for Rossi is short-sighted, derails the rebuild, and eats up the cap quicker than the rebuild should be planning for.

Patience, people.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Disagree. Coleman alone, retained for 2 years, is worth the 26th pick (which in a weak draft is probably worth an early 2nd in a good draft.

Andersson PLUS Coleman, for the 26th is insane. Even for the 12th I don't like it.

Yeah, that only makes sense if you view Coleman as an extremely negative asset.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Disagree.

My expectation for the 18OA is to get someone of Rossi's caliber, with the hope that we do better than that. Trading it for Rossi is short-sighted, derails the rebuild, and eats up the cap quicker than the rebuild should be planning for.

Patience, people.

That is a high expectation for a 18th overall pick.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by traptor

Why is everyone limiting Rossi as a sure fired 2c?

He's only 23 and out up 60 pts without a defined top 6 role.

If he was already on our team and did that, everyone would be saying we have our 1C.


If you go after him it's because you think there's more there and his floor is a 2c.

I dont think it's crazy that he could be an 80 pt guy.

You are one of the loudest proponents of the (overly-simplistic) argument that you can't win without top 3 picks.

Rossi is never going to be an elite #1 C. And giving up 1sts to acquire him now moves us further away from acquiring elite players.

BTW, it is not at all crazy to think that Zary can be an 80 point guy as well.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You are one of the loudest proponents of the (overly-simplistic) argument that you can't win without top 3 picks.

Rossi is never going to be an elite #1 C. And giving up 1sts to acquire him now moves us further away from acquiring elite players.

BTW, it is not at all crazy to think that Zary can be an 80 point guy as well.

The player who barely got over 80 points in a season in the WHL?

I like Zary as much as the next guy, but he's not going to be a PPG NHL player. We should be ecstatic if Zary can consistently contribute 50-60 points on the squad.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Getting Rossi and trading Kadri would be prefect

The issue is they aren’t (can’t?) trade Kadri

Maybe there is a scenario where TML decide that they really need a personality and competitive player as their second line center and that Bennett is that player. If Bennett decides to stay in Florida and Marner moves on and Tavares takes a $5-6M drop in pay maybe the TML look at a player like Kadri and think that he has all of the intangibles along with his position, and last years stats, and his cup in Colorado that they decide they need to have him.
Toronto is maybe the only place other than Calgary he would go, and so moving him out and bringing in Rossi would allow the Flames to get younger. Role with Rossi, Frost, Backlund for next year.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by Bonded

That is a high expectation for a 18th overall pick.

Yah, not a lot of history to suggest we should bank on getting a high octane offensive guy. If you went by historical success of the 18th overall, the Flames should draft a defenseman;

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/...hp?position=18

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Getting Rossi and trading Kadri would be prefect

The issue is they aren’t (can’t?) trade Kadri

So now you have Kadri , Frost and Rossi competing for 2 scoring centre positions . You want to develop Frost and Rossi but Kadri is coming off a career high in points and is your best Center

Assuming Frost cost 5-6 million , you’re paying your 3 centers 21-22 million combined , have no true #1, and payed a 1st (Rossi) , 2nd and 3rd(ish - Kuz value) for Frost and presumedly another prospect in the Rossi trade for the pleasure of this situation

Doesn’t feel like a good team building plan to be a truely competitive team in the next 3-5 years .

Why are we so worried about Frost.
if he's good enough for a top 6 role - he can shift to the wing or alter between him and Rossi.
At this point he's not established enough that we shouldn't be looking to still upgrade that #2 center position.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Disagree.



On paper, sure. But I'm not giving up the 18OA for him, and I sure as hell wouldn't add Zary to it.

Another factor here: trading the 18OA (or even the 32OA) for Rossi makes us a little better this year, which means worse picks in the 2026 draft. VERY expensive strategy, especially for a guy who is not someone you build around.

My expectation for the 18OA is to get someone of Rossi's caliber, with the hope that we do better than that. Trading it for Rossi is short-sighted, derails the rebuild, and eats up the cap quicker than the rebuild should be planning for.

Patience, people.

What is this expectation based on? Because it seems wildly unrealistic.

[ForeverFlameFan]

(2025) Misa PPG in D+0: 2.06

(2020) Rossi PPG in D+0: 2.14

Rossi went from 1 point in 21 games to 40 in 82 to 60 in 82. That’s some serious progression. If he’s available Conroy would be foolish not to offer 18th OA+. I bet there are some better offers out there, but we have to seriously inquire and get serious in getting him.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

(2025) Misa PPG in D+0: 2.06

(2020) Rossi PPG in D+0: 2.14

Rossi went from 1 point in 21 games to 40 in 82 to 60 in 82. That’s some serious progression. If he’s available Conroy would be foolish not to offer 18th OA+. I bet there are some better offers out there, but we have to seriously inquire and get serious in getting him.

Rossi has been an absolute stud at every level he has played at. The NHL will be no different for him.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The player who barely got over 80 points in a season in the WHL?

I like Zary as much as the next guy, but he's not going to be a PPG NHL player. We should be ecstatic if Zary can consistently contribute 50-60 points on the squad.

He was putting up points at a 60 pt pace (just like Rossi) before he got derailed by injuries. But I know, Flames players aren't as good as other players.

[Royle9]

I’ve heard that Marner has talked to Marleau about SJ recently.
I too see a huge fit there for him long term and lifestyle wise.
Not to mention a media break.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What is this expectation based on? Because it seems wildly unrealistic.

Expecting to grab a 2nd line C, with the 18th OA pick is not wildly unrealistic.

Rossi went 9th in the 2020 draft. Behind him, the next 3 Cs were: Jarvis 13th, Lundell 14th and Mercer at 18.

Also, the pick is cost-protected for at least 3 years. If it turns out that they don't become a 2nd line player, they never get the money and you move on.

Edit: I am not as enamoured with Rossi as you are

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Expecting to grab a 2nd line C, with the 18th OA pick is not wildly unrealistic.

Rossi went 9th in the 2020 draft. Behind him, the next 3 Cs were: Jarvis 13th, Lundell 14th and Mercer at 18.

Also, the pick is cost-protected for at least 3 years. If it turns out that they don't become a 2nd line player, they never get the money and you move on.

Edit: I am not as enamoured with Rossi as you are

If it comes down to just not being big on Rossi that's more than fair.

But the data shows getting a 2nd line C at that part of that draft is exceedingly rare.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

He was putting up points at a 60 pt pace (just like Rossi) before he got derailed by injuries. But I know, Flames players aren't as good as other players.

I'm a fan of Zary, but this isn't true. He was on pace for 45 points on the season when he got injured in January. I still agree that Zary has a high ceiling, and his 45 pace, growth and skillset shows progression, but Rossi is by far the better player at this point on really any evidence: pedigree, consistent growth, production. And he's played regularly in the NHL as a centre, which is still an uncertainty for Zary.

The risk is in his height and whether that limits him, particularly as we see Florida's big bodies wear down teams. I'd take the chance on him depending on the price, but the price would have to be right.

[Just a guy]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Power is another one I've been hot about since last season. Lots of guys thought I was crazy saying he could be traded... low and behold!
Imagine buffalo is choosing between him and Byram essentially.

Two years ago, I suggested going for Cozens and Power and was shot down hard. Agree times change, but never say never.

[WickerChicken]

Originally Posted by Just a guy

Two years ago, I suggested going for Cozens and Power and was shot down hard. Agree times change, but never say never.

Would love to get Powers. One would have to think the ask from Buffalo would include one of Parekh, Coronato, or Wolf, plus other assets.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

You’ve got to be in on Power if available. I’d much rather have him over Byram. Maybe they could trade Power for more value and keep Byram with Dahlin?

I’d easily offer up 32nd, Bruz, and Miromanov for Power.

woah big spender lol...