2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by HitterD

This makes sense, and if this is the case the Flames likely have better bargaining position once Ekblad is signed, and can probably get their hands on a 2026 1st for him. Unless a team blows the flames away at the 2025 draft I doubt he moves, and a team is unlikely to do that without knowing if he will sign long term anyway.

As much as the kid in me wants the nice things now, realistically to me the 2025 draft is likely not the best value play for the Flames with Andersson. (Unless they somehow get into, say, the top 7-8)

Same

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

If I’m Mitch Marner I’m taking the Sharks call pretty seriously. Could be a great fit for him. Money weather team future Celebrini… lots of good reasons to look there.

Definitely.
If I were him I would look at teams on the upswing (SJ, Utah, even MTL) instead of the current top dogs.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Well that's where I do apply some size bias.
To compete I think you need a #1 centre with size.

I think Rossi sometimes gets mis-categorized as "small". He's short but stocky.

But I don't think he has the physical attributes of a #1 centre on a contending team.

And I say that as a big fan of his.

I agree and not just when looking at individual players, but the roster construction in whole.

We're already leaning with a slighter young group of core players in Parehk, Coronato and Zary.


But i'm torn. We'd all love a Barkov 1C, but like what do you do. We can't let perfect be the enemy of good and have to work with what's available. A Barkov type 1C is probably not available in trade, and if they are it's because they have many other warts. We're probably not getting that player at 16th+ overall either.

I'd also love a 6'5 PPG two way #1 Defender and if you look at the mold of most recent winners, they have one.

But we're going to have to work with what's realistically available.


Point was also a successful 1C of a perennial contender. 66 points in his second nhl season.

[Solstice]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Small tidbit:

Ekblad is 1, Andersson is 1A for the Sharks. Sharks apparently will be in talks with teams once the finals are over and that will continue to July 1st. One team has reached out to them on 2nd overall but it wasn’t enough. They need a young player who is ready now for that pick or they will keep it. Vladar is the player they want in goal but it’s obviously his decision. Spending their time right now on the draft where Misa has a small edge on Martone. I was told 55-45.

Anderson, Zary, 18th, and 32nd. That should get it done. Misa would easily replace Zary in the lineup.

Get it done Conny!!

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Well that's where I do apply some size bias.
To compete I think you need a #1 centre with size.

I think Rossi sometimes gets mis-categorized as "small". He's short but stocky.

But I don't think he has the physical attributes of a #1 centre on a contending team.

And I say that as a big fan of his.

That is the risk a team takes trading for him, but that also is why he's available and not going to cost what it typically would for a player who's trending towards 80+ points and becoming a potential number 1 centre (or a high, high end second line centre).

At the right price though, it makes sense for a team like Calgary to assume the risk and make the trade as this is the type of player who could overcome the typical size you'd like to see in a #1C because of his frame.

[ForeverFlameFan]

John Shannon on pending free agent Sam Bennett this summer
"There are only two teams Bennett is willing to play for, either he re-signs in Florida or he’s going home.
There are people within the Panthers organization that are concerned that Sam might have already made his mind up..that something might happen with the Maple Leafs & they're hoping that they can still convince him to play in Sunrise."

^ sure sounds like Bennett wants to go to Toronto. Which means Marner is gone and Ekblad is likely re-signed by Florida?

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

John Shannon on pending free agent Sam Bennett this summer
"There are only two teams Bennett is willing to play for, either he re-signs in Florida or he’s going home.
There are people within the Panthers organization that are concerned that Sam might have already made his mind up..that something might happen with the Maple Leafs & they're hoping that they can still convince him to play in Sunrise."

^ sure sounds like Bennett wants to go to Toronto. Which means Marner is gone and Ekblad is likely re-signed by Florida?

Sounds like it, now just need Florida to re-sign Ekblad before the draft so Sharks give up 2nd OA in an Anderson trade

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

This suggests that perhaps Rasmus won't be traded at the draft, if landing targets consider him as their 1B to a free agent signing like Ekblad.

At least one pundit has said teams looking at Andersson will want him signed to an extension.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Solstice

Anderson, Zary, 18th, and 32nd. That should get it done. Misa would easily replace Zary in the lineup.

Get it done Conny!!

Yet it won't.

No premium piece.

They'll want a young, good, cost controlled dman to lead the package.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by traptor

I agree and not just when looking at individual players, but the roster construction in whole.

We're already leaning with a slighter young group of core players in Parehk, Coronato and Zary.


But i'm torn. We'd all love a Barkov 1C, but like what do you do. We can't let perfect be the enemy of good and have to work with what's available. A Barkov type 1C is probably not available in trade, and if they are it's because they have many other warts. We're probably not getting that player at 16th+ overall either.

I'd also love a 6'5 PPG two way #1 Defender and if you look at the mold of most recent winners, they have one.

But we're going to have to work with what's realistically available.


Point was also a successful 1C of a perennial contender. 66 points in his second nhl season.

I'm not sure what Rossi wants but I assume it's around $8 mil. He would be our #1 center right now. He doesn't need to be the #1 guy when it is time to compete.

Once July 1 hits, contracts are going to explode. I epxect Marner will get a deal that everyone will say how do you win with he at the AAV? I wouldn't be surprised if he gets more than $14 mil. Bennett might get $10M and then guys like Ekblad, Ehler and Boesser are going to get too much as well. $8 mil+. Also, some big names can be re-signed on July for next year McDavid, Eichel, Kaprizov, Bedard could set the bar even higher.

My data also says from 2004-2018 you have 5% chance of a 1st liner at the end of the 1st round, 16.5% for 2nd line calibre. The Flames are gaining way to much value to hold onto that pick for a guy like Rossi.

151 guys selected from 21Ov to end of 1st round.

Pasta
M Green
S Theodore
Oettinger
T Rask
Giroux
J Carlson
Konecny
T Thompson

The best players taken in a 15 year stretch 21OV until the end of the 1st round. Really only couple of those guys are a big upgrade on Rossi out of 151 picks

Get him and sign him 8 x 8M

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Yet it won't.

No premium piece.

They'll want a young, good, cost controlled dman to lead the package.

Nah. I think Rossi will go cheaper than that. Wild want to dump him because of his size and I bet a lot of GMs agree with them. They already tried shopping him before.

[Jiri Hrdina]

^I agree with your broad points but you should be using 18th overall or later as that's the Flames pick.
Though I would say the odds of landing a good player are even worse this year because it's just not a good draft.
Some of suggested that this draft will produce far below the normal number of stars - perhaps 5 or less.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Nah. I think Rossi will go cheaper than that. Wild want to dump him because of his size and I bet a lot of GMs agree with them. They already tried shopping him before.

That was for Misa, not Rossi. I agree that would easily get Rossi.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

^I agree with your broad points but you should be using 18th overall or later as that's the Flames pick.
Though I would say the odds of landing a good player are even worse this year because it's just not a good draft.
Some of suggested that this draft will produce far below the normal number of stars - perhaps 5 or less.

I did the analysis about a month ago and broke the 1st round into a few groups. 21-end of 1st round was 1 group and I picked it as Colorado and Edmonton's picks are in that category. So is Fla 1st.

If Conroy times it right, I could see him getting Rossi cheap (if rumors are true) and then wait out UFA and make a trade later. I see 5 guys that are players that are top 6 forwards and top 4 d this free agency. I see all of them getting paid way too much. Teams will miss out and the contracts of our guys will be appealing. Trade Kadri after acquiring Rossi and potentially get more than you paid. Trade Rasmus after teams miss on Ekblad and get more than you paid for Rossi.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Small tidbit:

Ekblad is 1, Andersson is 1A for the Sharks. Sharks apparently will be in talks with teams once the finals are over and that will continue to July 1st. One team has reached out to them on 2nd overall but it wasn’t enough. They need a young player who is ready now for that pick or they will keep it. Vladar is the player they want in goal but it’s obviously his decision. Spending their time right now on the draft where Misa has a small edge on Martone. I was told 55-45.

I know Coronato is seemingly out of the question, but this tidbit makes me believe that Coronato ++ isn't too far off the mark as a the type of package.

Coronato + Rasmus + 18thOA has got to be hard to look off for 2OA.

[Jason14h]

Getting Rossi and trading Kadri would be prefect

The issue is they aren’t (can’t?) trade Kadri

So now you have Kadri , Frost and Rossi competing for 2 scoring centre positions . You want to develop Frost and Rossi but Kadri is coming off a career high in points and is your best Center

Assuming Frost cost 5-6 million , you’re paying your 3 centers 21-22 million combined , have no true #1, and payed a 1st (Rossi) , 2nd and 3rd(ish - Kuz value) for Frost and presumedly another prospect in the Rossi trade for the pleasure of this situation

Doesn’t feel like a good team building plan to be a truely competitive team in the next 3-5 years .

[Monahammer]

Power is another one I've been hot about since last season. Lots of guys thought I was crazy saying he could be traded... low and behold!
Imagine buffalo is choosing between him and Byram essentially.

[HitterD]

Another scenario I could see, though I agree that Andersson is more likely traded after July 1, is if Florida somehow resigns Ekblad before the draft, I could see a team jumping ahead to grab Andersson before free agency begins and taking a chance that they could resign him. If the deal is there at the draft I could see Conroy pulling the trigger

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Getting Rossi and trading Kadri would be prefect

The issue is they aren’t (can’t?) trade Kadri

So now you have Kadri , Frost and Rossi competing for 2 scoring centre positions . You want to develop Frost and Rossi but Kadri is coming off a career high in points and is your best Center

Assuming Frost cost 5-6 million , you’re paying your 3 centers 21-22 million combined , have no true #1, and payed a 1st (Rossi) , 2nd and 3rd(ish - Kuz value) for Frost and presumedly another prospect in the Rossi trade for the pleasure of this situation

Doesn’t feel like a good team building plan to be a truely competitive team in the next 3-5 years .

Next summer Kadri's NMC turns into a 13 team no trade list. That's 18 teams that he can't block. If he gets the sense the Flames are moving him, maybe he gets proactive and gives Conroy a few more choices this summer so that he has more control on where he goes.

I also see the Leafs being interested when they lose Marner. Brad likes to overpay for good cap hits too.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by jg13

https://twitter.com/user/status/1928134241881063841

A lot of good pieces there, too bad that they don't fit CGY's window. I'm a pretty big Tuch fan, but I just don't see any scenario where he would end up on the Flames.