American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Oddly, Harris's margin with women voters isn't as good as you'd think. She still leads among women by a lot but it is not as wide a margin as Biden had in 2020.

unless you have a crystal ball you can't possibly know this

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Hooooo boy.... Sounds like Vance is also going to appear on Joe Rogan

https://twitter.com/user/status/1851298937535340682

I hope Rogan asks Vance if his guyliner is waterproof.

[dino7c]

Vance has said worse things about Trump than almost anyone...Rogan won't push him though

[FlamesAddiction]

I don't follow Joe Rogan a lot. Is he actually an open Trump supporter, or just someone who doesn't like the left? I know he speaks out against the left occasionally, but from the little exposure I have had to him, he always struck me as anti-government and and anti-politics in general.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't follow Joe Rogan a lot. Is he actually an open Trump supporter, or just someone who doesn't like the left? I know he speaks out against the left occasionally, but from the little exposure I have had to him, he always struck me as anti-government and and anti-politics in general.

Rogan is an empty vessel.

Effectively just acts like most information being told to him is both the first time he's ever heard it, and makes complete mindblowing sense regardless of content/delivery.

His producers just seem to mostly book loudmouths/"freethinkers" so the show takes on a bit of a slant in aggregate as a result.

EDIT: This says it more humorously than I can

[MegaErtz]

Jon Ralston was on Chuck Todd's podcast yesterday and while he was somewhat cagey with his prediction, he admitted that the Reid machine is falling apart and the culinary union workers (largely women) are moving heavily in Trump's direction. There's just no path to victory if Harris loses any one of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't follow Joe Rogan a lot. Is he actually an open Trump supporter, or just someone who doesn't like the left? I know he speaks out against the left occasionally, but from the little exposure I have had to him, he always struck me as anti-government and and anti-politics in general.

he knows his audience

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

30-40% of non whites voted for trump and 40% of women. It's fun to demonize straight white men but 49% of the country is going to vote for Trump again and you guys act like they are some homogenous group of deplorables, it's a lot more nuanced than that.

He hasn't gotten above 47% in either election. I know we're splitting hairs here, but if he ever did get 49% he'd win in a massive landslide.

[Muta]

75,000+ people at Harris' rally yesterday. To me that's quite the statement on her popularity, regardless of what polls say.

[Senator Clay Davis]

75,000 in the DMV, which is possibly the bluest part of the country, doesn't say that much. Mostly it says she's more liked than Hillary, which isn't nothing.

[V]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Trump is not winning. No chance in hell.

Forget the polls and betting odds, this is the clearest indicator that Trump is about to win.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

30-40% of non whites voted for trump and 40% of women. It's fun to demonize straight white men but 49% of the country is going to vote for Trump again and you guys act like they are some homogenous group of deplorables, it's a lot more nuanced than that.

That's my point. That's Bob's point.

Bob is supposed to be rational, and yet there is no rationality in voting for Trump.

Fine, everything is the same except Bob is Hispanic/black/asian. His sole focus is the economy.

Does Bob's rationale / or irrationality change because he's not white?

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Thanks to 8 years of Obama

This is the irony of politics...it takes years for policy to make a difference. Its like being an NHL GM for the bad years, drafting all the prospects, and then getting fired for the guy who is allowed to trade a first for a rental and win the cup.

So if that's the case, with Cappy's post saying the following:

To vote for Trump over Harris, Bob has to further ignore:

- the record growth in the USA over the last 4 years of Biden/Harris
- the recent news of a potential soft economic landing
- Global inflation rates and the USA coming out as one of the better countries in this regard.

Since it takes years for policy to make a difference, is the above because of Trump's policies, since it happened during Biden/Harris?

[direwolf]

Watched a piece on CNN earlier today about Latino voters in Nevada. Apparently the racist “island of garbage” comments at Trump’s Nazi rally the other night have exploded on social media in that state and is causing many Latinos to switch from Trump to Harris. If this is happening in other swing states as well, you have to think that will move the needle slightly in Harris’ favour amongst Latinos.

It’s crazy to think that the comments from a comedian are the tipping point for some of these people, but not the avalanche of racist crap that Trump and the MAGA cult have spewed over the last 8 years.

[Reggie Dunlop]

The tipping point might be attacking actual American citizens.

[Texas Blueliner]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Trump looks to be laying the groundwork to contest Pennsylvania election results, claiming without evidence this morning over on his discount Twitter, that the whole state is somehow cheating at “large scale levels”

I'm starting to believe its just his strategy to encourage cheating/election fraud by his own side. The more he succeeds in making useful idiot republicans believe the election is being stolen by the democrats, the more likely they will be to take even more drastic steps (more so than Jan 6th). They are already setting fire to ballot boxes, threatening 60 year old ladies at voting sites with machetes, etc. In 2020 Pence and the Georgia secretary of state wouldn't cheat for him, I guess he's hoping its different this time.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Thanks to 8 years of Obama

This is the irony of politics...it takes years for policy to make a difference. Its like being an NHL GM for the bad years, drafting all the prospects, and then getting fired for the guy who is allowed to trade a first for a rental and win the cup.

So the economic metrics being talked about as a success under the Biden/Harris term are attributable to Trump?

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

So the economic metrics being talked about as a success under the Biden/Harris term are attributable to Trump?

The economy was strong when Trump took office.

The economy was flat on its back when Biden took office.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

So if that's the case, with Cappy's post saying the following:



Since it takes years for policy to make a difference, is the above because of Trump's policies, since it happened during Biden/Harris?

It's pretty well known that President/PMs get too much credit/blame for the boom/bust cycles of capitalism.

however, my post was not praising Biden/Harris for their economic miracle, much so to run a counter to many Republicans or "independents" who point to inflation and the cost of living as an indictment against the Biden White House.

If you can't praise Biden for the current economic growth (largely supplied by increased government spending, which would mean that you can pin it on the current admin) then you can't blame Biden for the rising inflation and cost of living in the same way.

This is, of course, part of the irrationality of "economic" voters in general. It's far too difficult to place blame/praise on any one party/government/regime/policy when the global economy is so intertwined. Coupled with the fallout of a major disruption like COVID, it's much trickier.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

So the economic metrics being talked about as a success under the Biden/Harris term are attributable to Trump?

I think there is a greater likelihood its from Biden admin spending than anything Trump did (like tax cuts); but you cannot ignore the disruption COVID caused.