2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Oooh Dreger on BB saying the Devils are ready to deal but hints that ownership/other upper management wants to try and win and come back to the Markstrom deal in the summer

Thinks Conroy is trying to be the voice of reason to ownership

Fight Connie! Fight!

Oh JFC!

If that's true the Flames are eternally ####ed. Someone call Murray and tell him that the money saved by shedding the contracts will make up the (maybe) 1st round and out revenue in the short-term and the long-term ego boost of building a true contender will vastly outweigh the ego boost of owning a mediocre playoff bubble team. Geez, just tell them whatever they need to hear to shake that out of their heads.

Moreso let's just hope that it isn't true.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Ashes

All of these reports about the Devils circling back on Markstrom every few days, at this point if he doesn't make the deal and the Devils miss the playoffs from bad goaltending, you'd have to think he might lose his job.

Goaltending has been their Achilles' heel all season, if Markstrom comes in and sneaks them into the playoffs this season and then gets them 2 more solid playoff runs, that should be worth at least one premium asset (Mercer) IMO.

I think the deal goes through, too many eyes on Fitz right now. He waited way too long, but there's still a fool's hope that they can get hot down the stretch.

Fitz has really blown the opportunity. The Devils have used up the games in hand that they had on the Flyers and are still 8 points back. Game after game they seem to be getting run over by bad goaltending while their division rivals are passing them by with average win rates (5 or less wins in the last 10).

If they had the Flames 6-4-0 record right now instead of their 3-7-0 record they would be pushing the Flyers out of the playoffs and fending off the push from the Islanders.

I would not be surprised if Fitz loses his job over this. Obviously not just because of this one move but the combination of going after Meier and signing him to a big contract, spending assets to acquire Toffoli to set up this winning season, and then whiffing over goaltending when a deal was there to be made.

The Devils are going to need to win around 15 of their last 20 games to make the playoffs.

[MacDaddy77]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Nashville signs Jad

So Flames didn't put in a claim

[FlamesFan1000]

Guess it means Servalli was right, or his flames source is legit. Maloney supposedly nixing the trade and now this? How delusional is our front office?

[868904]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Bo Horvat was a superior asset with lower salary / cap hit cost.

I'm mostly being glib but it's true. Mercer's ELC runs out this year and he's going to want to (and will) get paid. The Devils have already extracted his maximum surplus value. Now a team that can sign him longterm (like 7/8 years long) can still get plenty of surplus value from him but not the highway robbery value that an ELC brings.

I'd disagree about Horvat being a superior asset at that time; I waivered both ways though. Ultimately, I think Bo Horvat was an 18 year old draft pick with "skating issues". He was a top 10 pick, but he hadn't put up a 27 goal and 56 point season and played 3 NHL seasons at that point like Mercer has. Horvat, at that time, was still unknown. You can't look at what Horvat has done since being drafted and include that in his value.

[2ArmBands]

Originally Posted by FlamesFan1000

Guess it means Servalli was right, or his flames source is legit. Maloney supposedly nixing the trade and now this? How delusional is our front office?

Only 8 points out!!!

[Toonage]

My thoughts - If NJD said they don't care about retention, and you can still get a 1st and Holtz, you don't need to float that past ownership. Or VP of Hockey OPs. You just do it.

[ThisIsAnOutrage]

Carolina waives three guys and has a bunch of cap space? Calgary waives Oesterle? Can only mean one thing: Markstrom to Carolina for Marty Nachos+

[868904]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

So Flames didn't put in a claim

Kind of surprising.

It's not like the Flames have a centre in the AHL ready to come up. I would have tried JAD with Huberdeau and Sharagovich.

Were the Flames able to claim after recently having claimed Hanley?

[868904]

Originally Posted by Toonage

My thoughts - If NJD said they don't care about retention, and you can still get a 1st and Holtz, you don't need to float that past ownership. Or VP of Hockey OPs. You just do it.

What if the 1st is protected and pushes to 2025 if the Devils miss the playoffs?

[tony-soprano]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

Only 8 points out!!!

They can still make a run with Markstrom, and worst case scenerio it gives Markstrom to adjust to the new team for next season. Just need Fitz to eat it all up, and make the deal!

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by 868904

What if the 1st is protected and pushes to 2025 if the Devils miss the playoffs?

Or just straight up a 25. If retention was the issue, and the Devils say they can or will do it without, that means you don't need Murray's permission which means you don't need to run it past Maloney to take to him.

This deal can absolutely still get done without any interference from ownership, etc. Just need to get NJD as desperate as possible and it sounds like they're almost there. But if I'm reading Dreger's tea leaves, the best deal will still involve that retention.

[TheIronMaiden]

I am fine with the Flames being patient with Markstrom, Mangiapane and Kuzemenko.

If the right deal comes up, go for it, but maybe the prices will be better before the draft.

Especially if the Flames make a push.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

My god how can anyone think this. There's no way they actually do. We've sold two of our best defensemen and a top line forward over the last month.

Please please please don't #### this up.

Ryan Leslie was on 960 this morning saying that all the draft picks the Flames have acquired in the last 2 months are like currency and that the Flames could use them to acquire a player.

It's absolutely the last thing I want to see because you aren't getting any serious long-term piece that can help you win now for a group of late 1st round picks.

[FlamesFan1000]

Originally Posted by tony-soprano

They can still make a run with Markstrom, and worst case scenerio it gives Markstrom to adjust to the new team for next season. Just need Fitz to eat it all up, and make the deal!

This is in reference to us. Ownership thinks we can make it with Markstrom and other players stepping up. Makes sense now, since we heard reports that the flames were scared about how trading Marky would affect morale in the locker room.

[dammage79]

I don't know, if it's for the right player, I definitely see the Flames spending some draft capital to get a player. I've said it since the Lindholm trade.

Hypothetically, if they targeted and could acquire a player of Zegras ilk, young, cost controlled center (we all know by now what conny wants) then why not.

[CFO]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I don't know, if it's for the right player, I definitely see the Flames spending some draft capital to get a player. I've said it since the Lindholm trade.

Hypothetically, if they targeted and could acquire a player of Zegras ilk, young, cost controlled center (we all know by now what conny wants) then why not.

I agree. All options need to be explored. Drafting isn't the be all end all to rebuild

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Ryan Leslie was on 960 this morning saying that all the draft picks the Flames have acquired in the last 2 months are like currency and that the Flames could use them to acquire a player.

It's absolutely the last thing I want to see because you aren't getting any serious long-term piece that can help you win now for a group of late 1st round picks.

This was always the plan. They have said countless times they are re-tooling not rebuilding. They were never keeping all these picks and waiting 5-7 years for them to mature.

[Southern_Canuck]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Ryan Leslie was on 960 this morning saying that all the draft picks the Flames have acquired in the last 2 months are like currency and that the Flames could use them to acquire a player.

It's absolutely the last thing I want to see because you aren't getting any serious long-term piece that can help you win now for a group of late 1st round picks.

Well... I thought the exact same way when the Canucks traded Bo Horvat, and then subsequently gave up that acquired NYI 1st plus their own 2nd for Hronek.

But Hronek is still only 26, and has fit in very well - perhaps better (and more immediate) than the 1st and 2nd might ever have been?

S_C

[Bingo Jr.]

We need some Sec input after all this eff the Flames management talk! I don't buy it for a second honestly.