[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I’m updating my resume.

I can provide a reference.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I can provide a reference.

"GioforPM keeps a level head in game threads"

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Thank you. The comment about 'rebuild' be a no-no word is still perplexing to me. Almost like it was supposed to be a joke.

It isn't surprising if they have a "can't say the word 'rebuild'" pseudo-policy, as rebuilds are politically touchy with fans. And are a challenge with selling tickets and seasons tickets.

But that doesn't mean they are against against rebuilds. It is far more likely that the view is: "we'll do a rebuild when we need to, but don't use the word publicly".

[Mr.Coffee]

Just call it “building through the draft” then, not a rebuild. Just building a good long-term team through the draft. Case closed, but regardless- that’s what needs to be done. Call it whatever you want, but just go do that.

[Igottago]

Finally got a chance to watch the presser. That John Bean fella should not be anywhere near a mic for the organization. Good lord.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Just call it “building through the draft” then, not a rebuild. Just building a good long-term team through the draft. Case closed, but regardless- that’s what needs to be done. Call it whatever you want, but just go do that.

Wouldn’t it be a mistake to declare a strategy before your GM search anyway? IMO that’s part of the interview - what would be your vision for the team and why?

Guessing, but Bean probably just has a terrible joke delivery.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

It's Sutter's fault Valimaki sucked balls in training camp?

Dude was given every opportunity to step into the top 6. He could only manage to do it on a lottery team.

Also .. it's Sutter's fault that Valimaki worked his way down the depth chart on the farm team? He didn't do well down there last year either.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It isn't surprising if they have a "can't say the word 'rebuild'" pseudo-policy, as rebuilds are politically touchy with fans. And are a challenge with selling tickets and seasons tickets.

But that doesn't mean they are against against rebuilds. It is far more likely that the view is: "we'll do a rebuild when we need to, but don't use the word publicly".

I do think Canadian hockey fans are smarter than that.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I’m updating my resume.

Maloney said they wanted someone younger.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Maloney said they wanted someone younger.

[Tuco]

Bean is low grade. Not surprised to see the hate.

[Badmotorfinger]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

learning that Edwards doesn't speak even at the CNRL AGM/Investor stuff, I now picture him in his Swiss castle sitting a giant computer like Dr. Claw.

TBF, the post about that was partly untrue. It is correct that Edwards does not usually speak at annual investor events. But, he has appeared as a panelist at past AGMs, and a few quarterly employee shareholder meetings, speaking at length.

I attended a couple AGMs within the past five years and he was there both times. He comes across as intelligent and a strong speaker, and you can't really argue with the success CNRL has had.

At the same time, I'm not defending his role with the Flames -- the mediocre long-term results speak for themselves and ownership is ultimately accountable. Whether the team's performance is partly due to meddling from Edwards, I don't know, but where there's smoke there's usually fire.

If he is too hands-on, he needs to stay in his lane and let hockey people do their thing. But, I highly doubt whatever the current dynamic is changes much moving forward.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Maloney said they wanted someone younger.

TheScorpion's time is nigh

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Actually, Derek Wills said the Flames were #1 in the league in rush scoring chances in a recent post game. I remember it because I was quite shocked to hear that stat which Loubardias responded with not being surprised. Obviously, their ability to finish on those scoring chances are a completely different story.

I can't find any stats to back that up myself, but I guess them being in biz means they get access to better stats than we do. If some stat wiz can find something to corroborate the above, thumbs up to you.

Because they almost always took the shot instead of making a pass. This seems to be one of the most mis-understood stats out there. They were high on off the rush 'chances', but they were low on off the rush scoring. Because the mandate was to shoot the puck, or make a safe play.

[LouCypher]

Originally Posted by Tuco

Bean is low grade. Not surprised to see the hate.

I'm 14 minutes into the press conference and as Bean is talking I am swearing at the screen in disbelief that this guy is involved in any of this.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Because they almost always took the shot instead of making a pass. This seems to be one of the most mis-understood stats out there. They were high on off the rush 'chances', but they were low on off the rush scoring. Because the mandate was to shoot the puck, or make a safe play.

The stats got broken down they are 1st in rush shot not chances they finished 19th in rush chances.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

LOL - owners meddle too much!

Owners let the people running the hockey team speak and run the hockey team - Hey, where are the owners, they should be here!

I wonder who it is in the organization that does not allow Bean to say the word rebuild, fire that guy. The owners will be pissed that that person is running the hockey team.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Valimaki may not be quite a star yet but the Flames don't have any defensive prospect that looks like he could develop into anything like what Valimaki is now. The biggest organizational void is probably young defencemen, and the Flames gave that up for nothing.

First of all, we don't know what Valimaki is yet.

But more to the point, Valimaki didn't look like he would develop into Valimaki either, even 6 months ago!

[cral12]

Originally Posted by CF84

We could become the first professional team in history that's run by AI.

ChiaGPT


(Chiarelli)

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

First of all, we don't know what Valimaki is yet.

But more to the point, Valimaki didn't look like he would develop into Valimaki either, even 6 months ago!

Our opinions of Valimaki dropped after Sutter was hired, but certainly many thought Valimaki had the tools to be a star prior.

Comparing that to our defensive prospect pool now, I suppose you could say Poirier has the tools to be a star in the league, but has a ways to go defensively.