[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[Torture]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

This certainly isn't true. There is at least one board member who has won a Stanley Cup, and certainly has a better hockey resume than Treliving did when he was hired. And there are quite a few very successful people who are CP members. Being an NHL GM isn't like being a neurosurgeon or a federal court judge that you need to train for decades to do the job well.

Look at Treliving's path to being a GM. He spent a decade in the ECHL trying to live his dream of playing in the NHL. The closest he got was 15 games in the AHL. Then he became the Commissioner of a couple semi-pro hockey leagues that were both bankrupt within a few years. Then he spent time in the top tier Arizona Coyotes organization and then he became GM in Calgary. Other than having a billionaire for a father, a lot of people here would have a resume as good or better than that at the time he became a GM.

Sure, the entire league is an old boys club, so having NHL contacts like a former player would is great, but personally I'd also consider a very successful business person or entrepreneur. You can hire a quant to run your analytics department and some former players to be your AGMs if you need NHL old boy network contacts.

I mean, Joe Sakic is considered a top NHL executive and he ended his playing career by sticking his hand into a powered up snowblower. This job isn't exactly sending people to Mars level difficult.

Yep. Surround yourself with good hockey people if you didn't play the game, but I don't see how being a former player is a job requirement for GM. Would be nice to see teams get out of the old boys club.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I guess Lou Lamourello is a terrible GM. Let Tavares go for nothing because Tavares kept saying he was willing to stay (like Gaudreau). Fact is that Treliving had exactly one chance to trade Gaudreau - it was after the equivalent of a 70 point season (and a 67 point season the year before), when JG was telling him he wanted to stay. So tell me - what was the trade then?

As for Chucky, I have a brother just like Tkachuk has one. Surprisingly, we are different people. There is no doubt in my mind that Matthew Tkachuk wanted out and would have signed no more than a single additional year, to take him straight to UFA. Plus, not only was there Neal, but Treliving had Giordano, Gaudreau, Monahan all making significant money. Ottawa was completely free to throw a big number at Brady, and a Neal sized contract on their books wouldn’t have prevented it either.

You said no GM would have paid M Tkachuk the money he wanted for 8 years. I just gave an example of another GM doing exactly that, twice. It was just a fluke one of those people was M Tkachuk's brother.

A big part of being good at negotiating is protecting your own interests and not putting yourself in a position to be left at the altar. Treliving mismanaged both of these players contracts and got burned.

His tenure as Flames GM is pretty darned mediocre. Not sure why people here think he is some amazing GM the likes of which can't be replaced.

Lamourello has won three Stanley cups as a GM, hard to compare him to Treliving. But he did also screw up with Tavares.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Any chance you have the time in the press conference for that comment?

22:25 is where the question starts and Bean answers by saying they considered it last year and there will be a point in time where they consider it again.

I think I've blended the last part (first priority is evaluating what went wrong) from something Maloney repeated.

Sounds to me like they're not above rebuilding, but don't feel now is the right time to do it. Which is arguable, but better than the idea of never rebuilding.

[nixon45]

Good riddance imo. The guy built absolutely nothing of note in his tenure outside of a couple teams that got manhandled in the first round. In my opinion he should have been canned well before this season but my view on him is more extreme than some.

So happy he is gone but I hope he enjoys life after the Flames.

[Hack&Lube]

There is a lot of talk about us being stuck with Sutter but how do we know the Flames don't have any conditions or exit clauses in his contract?

That would seem normal for a professional sports contract? For the players its definitely less wiggle room since they have the powerful PA behind them but for coaches, can't there be a clause (Example) like we have to make the playoffs or the Flames will have the option to cancel 1 year, etc. etc.?

Whatever the incoming GM says, he should be given the option to choose his own coach.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

There is a lot of talk about us being stuck with Sutter but how do we know the Flames don't have any conditions or exit clauses in his contract?

That would seem normal for a professional sports contract? For the players its definitely less wiggle room since they have the powerful PA behind them bot for coaches, can't there be a clause (Example) like we have to make the playoffs or the Flames will have the option to cancel 1 year, etc. etc.?

I highly doubt he would have signed a 8.4 million deal and gave the team the opportunity to can him and not pay him especially with the dicey relationship with Brad.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

This certainly isn't true. There is at least one board member who has won a Stanley Cup, and certainly has a better hockey resume than Treliving did when he was hired. ...

You know he's not the real Lanny McDonald, right?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Moving forward a change of GM is probably the right move. 9 years is a long time to run a team. I think BT did a fine job, but he no longer has the solutions. It will be interesting what kind of deals he makes for players he likes to come to his new team.

Tree has a thing for a very specific type of player. It works when hes tinkering with the team depth, but not when it comes to building a top six. Unless he learned from his time here I could see a similar decay with his new team.

One of the issues is i think skill came secondary at times, and as a result this group he built was lacking pure skill outside of Johnny and Matthew.

The ironic thing is he/they emphasized character with their players and in the end as he departs the group is far from a tight knit group with any notable leadership to carry it.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by browna

The SC winning Kings backed into the playoffs under Sutter and this team could've done decently well IMO id they got their confidence and mjo together these last couple weeks.

Truly what signs are there that this team could have done well in the playoffs?

Didn't we set a record for most 1 goal losses in a season? We suddenly expect that to change when the game gets even tighter in the playoffs?

The fact that this is how this organization has operated since 2004 is so unbelievably frustrating as a fan.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

22:25 is where the question starts and Bean answers by saying they considered it last year and there will be a point in time where they consider it again.

I think I've blended the last part (first priority is evaluating what went wrong) from something Maloney repeated.

Sounds to me like they're not above rebuilding, but don't feel now is the right time to do it. Which is arguable, but better than the idea of never rebuilding.

Thank you. The comment about 'rebuild' be a no-no word is still perplexing to me. Almost like it was supposed to be a joke.

[ComixZone]

Friedman:

"if it was status quo, then it wasn't going to be for this GM (Brad Treliving)"

Wonderful.

Flames do business poorly. This really speaks to organizational choices at the top that won't allow good GMs to do their jobs.

This team is not winning a Stanley Cup again.

[Ashes]

Well, that press conference was absolute nightmare fuel for me.

Sounds like two guys who weren't expecting Treliving to leave up until late last week and now they're being thrown into the spotlight and have no idea which direction to proceed.

Those comments from Bean about rebuilding and trying to convince everyone that this team has what it takes to win was cringe-worthy. I get that he's a business guy and not supposed to be the public face of the organization but what the hell was that?!

I feel worse about the direction of the franchise after that press conference than I did before. Now I guess we just sit back and hope for a GM to come in who knows how to build a winning team, has the ability to communicate his plan with the organization and the fans, and he can stand up to Sutter when needed? Quite a tall order.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

22:25 is where the question starts and Bean answers by saying they considered it last year and there will be a point in time where they consider it again.

I think I've blended the last part (first priority is evaluating what went wrong) from something Maloney repeated.

Sounds to me like they're not above rebuilding, but don't feel now is the right time to do it. Which is arguable, but better than the idea of never rebuilding.

I read tone as well as the words themselves a bit differently. He was defensive, almost annoyed when rebuild was brought up.

Perhaps they are open to it at some point, but his initial slip of 'not even allowed to say the word rebuild', combined with his combative tone, speaks that we shouldn't hold our breath.

That was also the first I've seen of John Bean in a presser. He didn't leave a good impression...to say the least.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Tree has a thing for a very specific type of player. It works when hes tinkering with the team depth, but not when it comes to building a top six. Unless he learned from his time here I could see a similar decay with his new team.

One of the issues is i think skill came secondary at times, and as a result this group he built was lacking pure skill outside of Johnny and Matthew.

The ironic thing is he/they emphasized character with their players and in the end as he departs the group is far from a tight knit group with any notable leadership to carry it.

I am excited to see change. I know folks are bitter about keeping the same coach on board, but a new GM was necessary. BT opened his window, and last summer tried one more time to prop it up. His window closed, lets just hope it isn't a long time before we see a window open again.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Thank you. The comment about 'rebuild' be a no-no word is still perplexing to me. Almost like it was supposed to be a joke.

Isn't his son on the Canes? He is probably young enough to be around crowds that talk about rebuilding all the time and tells his dad.

Maybe he was trying to be playful with the media but he came off terribly.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Dear mr. bean (how apt),

Fans
want
a
rebuild.

Figure it out.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Ashes

Well, that press conference was absolute nightmare fuel for me.

Sounds like two guys who weren't expecting Treliving to leave up until late last week and now they're being thrown into the spotlight and have no idea which direction to proceed.

Those comments from Bean about rebuilding and trying to convince everyone that this team has what it takes to win was cringe-worthy. I get that he's a business guy and not supposed to be the public face of the organization but what the hell was that?!

I feel worse about the direction of the franchise after that press conference than I did before. Now I guess we just sit back and hope for a GM to come in who knows how to build a winning team, has the ability to communicate his plan with the organization and the fans, and he can stand up to Sutter when needed? Quite a tall order.

100%.

That was everything I feared it to be and worse.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Thank you. The comment about 'rebuild' be a no-no word is still perplexing to me. Almost like it was supposed to be a joke.

I think it was, and I think it landed with a thud because Bean had no idea what he was doing up there.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Friedman:

"if it was status quo, then it wasn't going to be for this GM (Brad Treliving)"

Wonderful.

Flames do business poorly. This really speaks to organizational choices at the top that won't allow good GMs to do their jobs.

This team is not winning a Stanley Cup again.

You've been talking about cancelling your season tickets for a while. Just do it and be at peace.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Isn't his son on the Canes? He is probably young enough to be around crowds that talk about rebuilding all the time and tells his dad.

Maybe he was trying to be playful with the media but he came off terribly.

He was, but he's with the Jackets now.