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Old 03-03-2022, 11:53 AM   #9401
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I think Hertl will re-sign in San Jose.


...but yeah, entirely reasonable to think they may get that done.

If that happens, Anaheim's Rakell may be a good target as well:

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Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman
Rakell - Monahan - Toffoli
Lucic - Ruzicka - Dube

Similarly, Calle Jarnkrok is a player who makes sense. I'd still have them in the order of:

1. Hertl
2. Jarnkrok
3. Rakell

I'd put Rakell ahead of Jarnkrok if it weren't for him being Lindholm's cousin and the fact that Jarnkrok can play centre and either wing.

This is the year to go for it, and I don't think the 3rd line is good enough to push the team over the top (yet), and I love the idea of getting Lucic and Dube together on the 4th line.

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Old 03-03-2022, 11:58 AM   #9402
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I think Hertl will re-sign in San Jose.
That market has always done well retaining players as it's a nice place to live and players seem to like it there.
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Old 03-03-2022, 12:20 PM   #9403
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...but yeah, entirely reasonable to think they may get that done.

If that happens, Anaheim's Rakell may be a good target as well:



Source: The Athletic

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman
Rakell - Monahan - Toffoli
Lucic - Ruzicka - Dube

Similarly, Calle Jarnkrok is a player who makes sense. I'd still have them in the order of:

1. Hertl
2. Jarnkrok
3. Rakell

I'd put Rakell ahead of Jarnkrok if it weren't for him being Lindholm's cousin and the fact that Jarnkrok can play centre and either wing.

This is the year to go for it, and I don't think the 3rd line is good enough to push the team over the top (yet), and I love the idea of getting Lucic and Dube together on the 4th line.
Rakell is a RHS RW. Oddly enough, I think we're full on the right side in a top 9 role.

I'd sooner go on the more cost-effective acquisition of a guy like Namestnikov or Johansson that can play the left side of 3rd line and won't cost a 1st.
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Old 03-03-2022, 12:23 PM   #9404
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Rakell is a RHS RW. Oddly enough, I think we're full on the right side in a top 9 role.

I'd sooner go on the more cost-effective acquisition of a guy like Namestnikov or Johansson that can play the left side of 3rd line and won't cost a 1st.
Rakell plays both sides, no? Toffoli certainly has/does.

Jarnkrok plays on both sides and at centre.

I don't imagine Rakell or Jarnkrok would return a 1st.

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Old 03-03-2022, 12:26 PM   #9405
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There's a chance we may be over-thinking the significance of this move. (referring to McNiven)
On CP??

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That market has always done well retaining players as it's a nice place to live and players seem to like it there.
It's a nice low key community with good weather, good facilities, etc. and players who don't like scrutiny can live a normal life there.

I had a partner who was a huge hockey nut who lived next door to Conroy and I bet even Conroy was tired of talking hockey to him in the driveway.
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Old 03-03-2022, 12:28 PM   #9407
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It's a nice low key community with good weather, good facilities, etc. and players who don't like scrutiny can live a normal life there.

I had a partner who was a huge hockey nut who lived next door to Conroy and I bet even Conroy was tired of talking hockey to him in the driveway.
Now that's unpossible.

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Old 03-03-2022, 12:32 PM   #9408
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Now that's unpossible.

Man, Conny and Charlie Day could definitely be brothers.
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Now that's unpossible.
You have no idea about the guy I'm talking to. He could talk Connie into the ground.
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that Conny clip is absolute gold
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Old 03-03-2022, 03:09 PM   #9411
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I don't get the trade ideas focused on forwards especially given that media and a certain AGM said they are looking at depth D. Rakell and the like are not in the plans.

As for the blueline, I thought we had enough depth with Stone, Mackey and Val, but I just took a look at Tanev's career numbers. He doesn't seem to have many 82 game seasons under his belt. In 12 seasons, the most he has ever played is 70 games which makes sense the way he plays.

We are going to need another defenseman pronto.
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Old 03-03-2022, 04:20 PM   #9412
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We are an injury away from having a C depth of Backlund, Monahan, Ruzicka, Richardson so I don't think we are sitting pretty at forward. But the Flames are likely targeting a D or C.

Caps tight though. Maybe they can move Dube in the transaction and get a bit of cap retained. Between that and the lack of a first round pick I think it's a bench warmer depth move or two at the deadline.

Maybe we make it work for one of the 3 to 4 million dollar D, but someone like Hagg or Kulak is more realistic.
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Old 03-03-2022, 05:28 PM   #9413
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Nah!

Go big or go home… McNiven was the domino that allows for Monahan, Wolf, Zary and 2 firsts for Scheifele and his sweet, sweet contract.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1499436189035765764

Scheifele at the top of the list. Certainly less than ideal if the Flames were to acquire him
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Scheifele is a professional and when he's on can carry his line. I Personally think he needs a fresh start and Winnipeg needs to retool on the fly hard and fast or rebuild.

His Cap Hit is 6.125 for this season plus 2 more. 10 Team NTC.

Monahan, Dube/2nd/Valimaki, Zary

Johnny Lindholm Chucky
Magipane Scheifele Toffoli
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Scheifele at the top of the list. Certainly less than ideal if the Flames were to acquire him
I’m no advanced stats savant by any means, but hockey (or any sport for that matter) is made up of defence AND offence. So where’s his offensive WAR?

Are you trying to say we don’t want the likes of Ovechkin and Kane on the team?

Also, if there’s a cure for a players defensive shortcomings, it’s Darryl Sutter.
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Old 03-03-2022, 10:46 PM   #9416
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Random thought after tonight's OT. Supposing the sweetener cost to move Monahan's contract is too steep, what about moving Backlund and a sweetener for an upgrade at center? Maybe get a 2c that ability closer to a 1c than Backs.
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Old 03-03-2022, 11:04 PM   #9417
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I’m no advanced stats savant by any means, but hockey (or any sport for that matter) is made up of defence AND offence. So where’s his offensive WAR?

Are you trying to say we don’t want the likes of Ovechkin and Kane on the team?

Also, if there’s a cure for a players defensive shortcomings, it’s Darryl Sutter.
If the Flames trade for Schiefele and he greatly improves his 200ft game under Sutter's watch (far from a guarantee), that still leaves the Flames with 2 major problems. 1) Next year's cap situation, and 2) a bare cupboard and almost no futures to look forward to.
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Old 03-04-2022, 07:08 AM   #9418
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Based in the information we likely can only add $1.7M at the deadline as per:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1499393551351746568

Which works out to about $3.4M full cap - Pike indicates this in a reply to the above.

This is without money going out of course.

I think they will go for a depth D and maybe another depth forward.

As I do not think they will be removing anyone from the roster as either they are important or have negative value we would be looking the following for D options:

Robert Hagg or Zdeno Chara on D for number 7/8 on D

If you get some salary retained on those you could get another forward, with salary retained as well, such as

Nick Paul or Jack Roslovic or maybe Calle Jarnkrok for depth in bottom 6
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Scheifele at the top of the list. Certainly less than ideal if the Flames were to acquire him
There are 3 Jets in the top ten. At what point do we also think coaching and the teams systems might be the overlying problem?
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I believe that the team will add one each of a LS/LD and C that are both around 1-1.5M on their expiring deals.

Pure guesses but Kevin Connaughton out of Philly and Zach Parise both check the boxes.
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