Minneapolis PD Suffocate Unarmed Black Man Who Later Dies in Hospital

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by chockfullofgoodness

This coming from the guy, who earlier, said he wished that the protesters could be bussed to rich, White neighbourhoods and riot there. Wow.

What does one have to do with the other?

Originally Posted by nik-

Shooting at that person in their doorway is all about them being unable to deal with someone not totally complying with their command, regardless of how much that person is of no impedance at all. It's ego.

Yup, and the case is open and shut with his choice of language alone. “Light them up”. Those American citizens standing on their porch. Disgusting how easily that order was given.

[Tsawwassen]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

That, I believe, is what is referred to in the literature as the "2011 Canucks rioters were all from out of town" defense.

Could be from the 1994 riots too.

[PsYcNeT]

I gotta ask what exactly is illegal about standing on your porch while cops walk by?

Like, is not following a cops order grounds for being pepper sprayed while on your own private property or are we going to pretend that the rules have changed because other people elsewhere unaffiliated with you are doing something the cops don't like?

[GirlySports]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1266948348038217733

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Nothing. Nothing at all besides the destruction of mainly minority owned housing and businesses and we can repeat the cycle all over again. This all happened in 2014 in Ferguson with the same people here cheering it on. What “changes” occurred? Nothing. Everyone’s more interested in indulging their base emotions that the entire society needs to be torn down without engaging in any critical thinking on what they actually hope to accomplish. It’s all giving in to raw emotion and excusing any actions carried out in the name of that emotion no matter how ultimately destructive it is to society in general and minority communities specifically. The added element of this all occurring in the midst of a pandemic is another layer of ridiculous on top of the cake. Coronavirus was a big deal when it was people walking on a beach but when it’s thousands of people causing destruction in the streets of major cities it’s not a big deal anymore. Go figure.

This cop committed murder. I’m glad he’s getting charged as such. People in Minneapolis have every right to peacefully protest and hold their DA and police force accountable to charge this murderer to the highest degree possible and review the PD to weed out poor training, protocols, and cops. How that extends to people burning businesses and homes in Chicago LA or Nashville is beyond me.

I'm 50/50 with you here. You say nothing can ever change so there is no point? Peaceful protest obviously doesn't work. If there has been peaceful protest in thurs night there still would be no charges to Chauvin. Everyone is in cahoots all the way to the coroner's report. Chauvin would have gotten off. It took national news coverage and burning of the precinct and they only hot a flimsy 3rd degree charge. People can see through the corruption. If that had been any non-police doing that to Floyd, we be charged immediately.

The looting and burning of businesses and houses is idiotic, people just taking advantage of the situation which makes the protests pointless. It's a vicious circle.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I gotta ask what exactly is illegal about standing on your porch while cops walk by?

Like, is not following a cops order grounds for being pepper sprayed while on your own private property or are we going to pretend that the rules have changed because other people elsewhere unaffiliated with you are doing something the cops don't like?

Nothing. But I can see typical jar heads interpreting curfew as "inside your house".



Poor Ali Velshi took a rubber bullet to the knee last night. The guy is a Canadian finance and business journalist. How'd he get stuck in this mess?

[Sainters7]

I've been all over the States, and New Orleans is easily my favourite American city I've been to, I just vibe with that city. I was worried what would happen there with potential violence, but it sounds like it was actually very peaceful. And the police worked with the protestors as basically an escort as they marched to police HQ to protest. By nightfall there were only 2 arrests, and sounds like it was for the most part an incident free protest. Proud of them.

...i know thats only one day, things could easily change. But so far so good. Good job NOLA, and NOLA PD who worked with them.

[gargamel]

Saw this on Facebook and thought it was well-stated:

Twice a day, I walk my dog Ace around my neighborhood with one, or both, of my girls. I know that doesn’t seem noteworthy, but here’s something that I must admit:

I would be scared to death to take these walks without my girls and my dog. In fact, in the four years living in my house, I have never taken a walk around my neighborhood alone (and probably never will).

Sure, some of you may read that and think that I’m being melodramatic or that I’m “playing the race card” (I still have no clue what the hell means), but this is my reality.

When I’m walking down the street holding my young daughter’s hand and walking my sweet fluffy dog, I’m just a loving dad and pet owner taking a break from the joylessness of crisis homeschooling.

But without them by my side, almost instantly, I morph into a threat in the eyes of some white folks. Instead of being a loving dad to two little girls, unfortunately, all that some people can see is a 6’2” athletically-built black man in a cloth mask who is walking around in a place where he doesn’t belong (even though, I’m still the same guy who just wants to take a walk through his neighborhood). It’s equal parts exhausting and depressing to feel like I can’t walk around outside alone, for fear of being targeted.

If you’re surprised by this, don’t be. We live in a world where there is a sizable amount of people who actually believe that racism isn’t a thing, and that White Privilege is a made-up fantasy to be politically-correct. Yes, even despite George Floyd, Christian Cooper, Ahmaud Arbery, and Breonna Taylor (and countless other examples before them, and many to come afterward), some people still don’t seem to get it.

So, let me share some common sense points:

1) Having white privilege doesn’t mean that your life isn’t difficult, it simply means that your skin color isn’t one of the things contributing to your life difficulties. Case in point, if it never crossed your mind that you could have the cops called on you (or worse, killed) for simply bird watching then know that is a privilege that many black/brown people (myself included) don’t currently enjoy.

2) Responding to “Black Lives Matter” by saying “All Lives Matter” is insensitive, tone-deaf and dumb. All lives can’t matter until black lives matter.

3) Racism is very real, and please don’t delude yourself into thinking it’s limited to the fringes of the hardcore MAGA crowd. As Amy Cooper proved, it’s just as prevalent in liberal America as it is anywhere else.

4) While racism is real, reverse-racism is not. Please don’t use that term, ever.

5) In order for racism to get better, white allies are absolutely critical. If you’re white and you’ve read this far, hopefully you care enough to be one of those allies. Please continue to speak up (despite some of your friends and family rolling their eyes at you), because your voices matter to PoC now more than ever. Special shoutouts to my friends Becky, Catherine, Dory, Elizabeth, Greta, Jessica, Kayte, Kurt, Peter, Sharri, and Teri (and anyone else who I missed) for doing it so well.

6) And if you’re white, and you’re still choosing to stay silent about this, then I honestly don’t know what to say. If these atrocities won’t get you to speak up, then honestly, what will? Also, it’s worth asking, why be my friend? If you aren’t willing to take a stand against actions that could get me hurt or killed, it’s hard to believe that you ever cared about me in the first place.

As for me, I’ll continue to walk these streets holding my 8 year-old daughter’s hand, in hopes that she’ll continue to keep her daddy safe from harm.

I know that sounds backward, but that’s the world that we’re living in these days.

#BlackLivesMatter

VIRAL EDIT: Whoa, so this post blew up. I am deeply touched by all of your kind words, and also, for your willingness to step up as allies. The comments on this post have only strengthened my faith in humanity, and for that, I am very grateful. We have a lot of work to do, and I’m ready to stand at your side to do it ❤️.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Possibly.

According to a WaPo article I read a while ago, almost an equal number of unarmed white and black people have been killed by police since 2017.

By percentage of population in the U.S., an unarmed black person is 2.5 to 3.5 times more likely to be killed by police officer, but that doesn't mean that white people are not also victims of unnecessary police brutality. It's definitely a bigger issue for black people, but it's an issue everyone regardless of race should be concerned about.

Here's the Washington Post police shooting tracker (2019):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...hootings-2019/

1004 fatal police shootings in 2019. 41 against unarmed. Of those 19 White, 9 Black, 6 Hispanic, 7 other/unknown.

Here's the Guardian's data on all police killings (2016):

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...gs-us-database

1093 killed. Per million by ethnicity: 10.1 Native American, 6.6 Black, 3.2 Hispanic, 2.9 White, 1.2 Asian.

[IrishSpring2013]

Nice tidy amount of links

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/co...t_end/fsf1qcb/

Also;

https://twitter.com/user/status/1266940818545401856

PBS article stating the FBI warmed Law Enforcement agencies of infiltration by white supremacists groups over the last decade. This was from 2016.

[missdpuck]

Can’t agree with #4. Sorry.

One of my closest friends is a big, tall , well-built elegant black man. Nothing about him says “the hood.”

He likes to ride his bike, and pre-Covid he would ride over the bridge to a town called Ocean Ridge. It’s a small town on the ocean. There’s a street right along the ocean with houses and condos on the west side where everyone likes to walk and ride. It’s not private, but you kinda have to know it’s there.

So the first couple of times he rode there he was stopped by the cops. In a way he had the last laugh when he showed them his Broward County Sheriff’s Dept. ID. He is head of their IT security, and the Ocean Ridge cops are, well, nowhere near his level .

You think the cops would recognize him after a while. But he finally asked me if I would ride with him so he doesn’t get busted for bike riding while black. This guy is frigging brilliant - an adjunct professor, etc. It’s so sad.

[Johnhitbox]

What does looting, rioting, beating up female cops, and almost killing a man have to do with protesting?


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[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by missdpuck

Can’t agree with #4. Sorry.

One of my closest friends is a big, tall , well-built elegant black man. Nothing about him says “the hood.”

He likes to ride his bike, and pre-Covid he would ride over the bridge to a town called Ocean Ridge. It’s a small town on the ocean. There’s a street right along the ocean with houses and condos on the west side where everyone likes to walk and ride. It’s not private, but you kinda have to know it’s there.

So the first couple of times he rode there he was stopped by the cops. In a way he had the last laugh when he showed them his Broward County Sheriff’s Dept. ID. He is head of their IT security, and the Ocean Ridge cops are, well, nowhere near his level .

You think the cops would recognize him after a while. But he finally asked me if I would ride with him so he doesn’t get busted for bike riding while black. This guy is frigging brilliant - an adjunct professor, etc. It’s so sad.

#4 is about reverse racism. Not sure the connection to your story?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Here's the Washington Post police shooting tracker (2019):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...hootings-2019/

1004 fatal police shootings in 2019. 41 against unarmed. Of those 19 White, 9 Black, 6 Hispanic, 7 other/unknown.

Here's the Guardian's data on all police killings (2016):

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...gs-us-database

1093 killed. Per million by ethnicity: 10.1 Native American, 6.6 Black, 3.2 Hispanic, 2.9 White, 1.2 Asian.

How many caught on film and as egregious as this? And 41 out of 1004? How many cover ups and fake reports?

[White Out 403]

So, unless I have my data and facts wrong, which is totally possible, I think the debate will boil down to this.

White people, per interaction with police in the USA , are killed more often than black people. But black people have so many more interaction with the police their overall rate of being killed is higher.

So is there systmetic racism causing higher incidence interaction? Is it due to poverty? Is that poverty also caused by systmetic racism? What can be done by that?

These are difficult and nuanced issues so I expect it won't be discussed in general public discourse.

[PsYcNeT]

EDIT: Bah I'm just in a ####ty mood this morning. The whole thing is ####.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Acey

https://twitter.com/user/status/1266926177878519809

This is actually a really good idea, contextually. There are going to be places where this would just put the officers in danger, but in a lot of places, if you've got police marching with you you're probably less likely to start smashing ####.

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I gotta ask what exactly is illegal about standing on your porch while cops walk by?

Pretty sure there's a curfew in effect there? So they are actually doing something technically wrong by being out on their porch. Whether that justifies firing pepper at them is I guess a matter of perspective.

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I'm 50/50 with you here. You say nothing can ever change so there is no point? Peaceful protest obviously doesn't work. If there has been peaceful protest in thurs night there still would be no charges to Chauvin.

This is a fairly ridiculous thing to say given how strongly the mayor was lobbying for charges to be laid. I'm confident that he would have been charged even if not a single window had been broken.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

So, unless I have my data and facts wrong, which is totally possible, I think the debate will boil down to this.

White people, per interaction with police in the USA , are killed more often than black people. But black people have so many more interaction with the police their overall rate of being killed is higher.

So is there systmetic racism causing higher incidence interaction? Is it due to poverty? Is that poverty also caused by systmetic racism? What can be done by that?

These are difficult and nuanced issues so I expect it won't be discussed in general public discourse.

Its probably all this. It's not just about being killed, blacks get harassed just by being black. The black cyclist example above. Its harassment, intimidation, threats, beatings. So there is no white interaction unless serious so ratio of deaths is higher.

And yeah it can be due to poverty and broken homes.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Pretty sure there's a curfew in effect there? So they are actually doing something technically wrong by being out on their porch. Whether that justifies firing pepper at them is I guess a matter of perspective.

Pretty sure your porch is still your property and curfew laws apply to public spaces “including streets”. Unless I missed something major and porches are now classified as public spaces I don’t believe being on your property is breaking curfew in any manner and they’re not doing anything technically wrong in the slightest. Bad take.

Edit: perhaps their curfew law demands you be indoors? If so that’s goddam ridiculous.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Pretty sure your porch is still your property and curfew laws apply to public spaces “including streets”. Unless I missed something major and porches are now classified as public spaces I don’t believe being on your property is breaking curfew in any manner and they’re not doing anything technically wrong in the slightest. Bad take.

Is that the case? I don't actually know what the ordinance requires, I just heard "curfew".

Anyway, maybe next time you could make that post while being slightly less of an #######, I wasn't saying they should have shot at them. Far from it. I was trying to answer his question about what the possible justification for doing it was.