That, I believe, is what is referred to in the literature as the "2011 Canucks rioters were all from out of town" defense.
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I was mostly responding to transplant, your post was just a lead-in. Why exactly would you even ask me about my experience if you’ve already decided I talk about things I know nothing about without having any idea about who I am?
You don’t actually need to be an expert to have an educated opinion on something. Sometimes you can take your own experiences, the experiences of your friends and loved ones, you can read books and actually learn about our history and current events. You can combine all of this things and generally they will help you form an educated opinion. Really, the first step is to actually give a #### about the world around you, because generally that’s required to learn.
At the end of the day though, my opinions are just that, and if you don’t like them and think I’m just constantly talking out of my ass, use the ignore function. Nobody cares. If you want to actually engage in conversation about the topic and you’ve got something relevant to say, let’s hear it.
Well you could read 100 books on being a black man in America, but unless you are one, you probably have no idea what it’s like. Sure, you can take an educated guess, but to state it as fact would be silly.
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Well you could read 100 books on being a black man in America, but unless you are one, you probably have no idea what it’s like. Sure, you can take an educated guess, but to state it as fact would be silly.
What did he state as a fact in his post that concerns you? That black people have had a fear of police instilled in them on more or less a race-wide basis? That doesn't seem like something you need to be black to be able to say. At the very least that's the case in most major cities. I don't think it's controversial.
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Not sure if this has been posted... CNN reporter arrested while live on air.
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Like how did they think that was going to play out for them?
Apparently it played out just fine. The CNN crew were released this morning and nothing is going to happen to the officers involved, despite their obvious incompetence and abuse of power. I mean, after all, they didn't murder him, so why should there by any consequences?
I'm not sure what the most egregious aspect of that little piece of theatre was, but near the top of the list is the brazen decision of the PD to lie about it despite the whole thing being broadcast on live television. They're just so sure that nothing will happen to them that they can say and do as they like, and apparently, they're correct.
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Imagine being so ####ing dumb. Those troopers shouldn't even be fired for abuse of authority, they should be fired for gross mental deficiency.
Like how did they think that was going to play out for them?
Probably perfectly fine?
Nothing ever comes of this stuff. Reporters get arrested in Finland, in Germany, in Turkey, in Russia and in the US, and the outrage even in the media usually lasts maybe a couple of days.
Media has stopped protecting each other, and thus the powers that be don't have to care.
Apparently it played out just fine. The CNN crew were released this morning and nothing is going to happen to the officers involved, despite their obvious incompetence and abuse of power. I mean, after all, they didn't murder him, so why should there by any consequences?
I'm not sure what the most egregious aspect of that little piece of theatre was, but near the top of the list is the brazen decision of the PD to lie about it despite the whole thing being broadcast on live television. They're just so sure that nothing will happen to them that they can say and do as they like, and apparently, they're correct.
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Well you could read 100 books on being a black man in America, but unless you are one, you probably have no idea what it’s like. Sure, you can take an educated guess, but to state it as fact would be silly.
Sure. But when the stories are from people you love that have lived those experiences and still do, and the books are written by those who have lived it as well, it’s more than an educated guess. When that’s the narrative that continuously pops up from people you don’t know on social media, the news, countless articles and stories, it’s more than an educated guess. That does not make it definitive nor does it make my word the final word, because despite having lived in the US and still having people I love in the Bay Area, I’m still white. I can only share what I’ve learned from the personal conversations I’ve had, what I’ve witnessed, and what I’ve heard.
I guess my question to you is: how many black men in America need to speak up for you to listen? What I posted (as was mentioned) is not something controversial or new. This story is told again and again and again. You don’t have to have lived in the US to hear this story loud and clear. How many need to die and how many need to talk about how they’re feeling before a person like yourself decides to listen and actually hear them?
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It's privilege to be able to learn about racism through education instead of experience.
Absolutely it is. Would anyone, anywhere question that?
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This is basically the story that comes out in every riot (remember Canucks fans saying all their rioters were from Surrey). It's rarely true. Perhaps they start it, but there's 0% chance that 1000s of out of state people are coming in an out numbering the locals.
Edit: and this is why you read to the end of the thread before you reply
Scaring people, burning houses and businesses and general threatening violence as a means to protests doesn't scare people to your side, it turns them against you.
They might say that sure absolutely the cops are bad and at fault in this place, but then the protesters destroyed my neighbourhood and killed my business or beat up my friend so they're just as bad as the thing they're protesting against.
If you hold a gun to a person and threaten them, they'll agree with you long enough for you to put that gun away, but they'll resent you and hate you for the threat, and do everything they can to see you caught and punished.
Protests that take place without violence or threat of violence, where you convince a person or group or organization to change without burning down their neighbourhood or harming that person is probably going to create longer lasting change.
Just my 2 cents. It might be naive.
What was the result of the LA Riots, outside of the devestation of Korean American and Latino businesses and homes, and casualties among those communities? They got the Webster Report, Gates resigned but how much really changed there?
I hear what you are saying, but the violence is what is keeping this in the news right now. If there was a quiet protest on the street the day after this occurred, this thread would have ended pages ago.
Easy example - there is a police controversy in Toronto right now where police were called out to a mental health call, they ask the womans family to leave and then the girl died after either falling, jumping or being pushed off her balcony. There was a big peaceful protest today - https://twitter.com/minahatesyou/sta...459463680?s=21 and I'm sure a lot of people have no idea any of this occurred.
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Now is it an effective way to get the results you want? That's debatable, but everyone over 35 knows the name of Rodney King and likely couldn't name any other police murder that occurred outside of 2-3 years ago.
Now is it an effective way to get the results you want? That's debatable, but everyone over 35 knows the name of Rodney King and likely couldn't name any other police murder that occurred outside of 2-3 years ago.
True, although ironically they didn't kill King, just beat him to a bloody pulp for the crime of driving a Hyundai Excel at over 115 mph, which, if you have ever owned an Excel you would know is about as possible as Rodney riding a bicycle at that speed, the only way that piece of junk would get over 70 or 80 is if you drove it off a cliff.
