[Trade] Elias Lindholm + Noah Hanifin to Flames for D. Hamilton, Micheal Ferland, & Adam Fox

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

IMO Fox was the best prospect in the system. But with that said, he didn't progress much this year. Plus there was the question as to whether he'd re-sign. Either way, it's good to see the Flames capitalize on a great 3rd round pick.

I think Valimaki is a clear whole tier ahead of Fox/Andersson/Kylington. Valimaki is a stud. Fox IMO is more likely to be a PP specialist with his size and skating. Valimaki has top pairing potential. There’s no chance Fox was our top prospect, he’s been overhyped on here by a few ppl.

I’ve always been much more worried about Fox signing than Gaudreau/Janko.

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I love this trade!! This is the trade that tre will be judged on for all time, it clearly addresses needs but it’s a huge gamble. Could pay off big time though

[868904]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

CP is a funny place. Hates Bouwmeister but loves Hamilton. They are the same.

Hanifin is Bouwmeester, same type of player. Flames fans have become blind to the responsibilities of defensemen, they seem to forget that defensemen need to "DEFEND" first, which is something that Hamilton can't do.

Hanifin and Bouwmeester are similar players, they won't wow you with offense of physical play, but their great skating allows them to defend effectively.

There's a reason why Bouwmeester got selected by some of the best coaches in the world to play for Canada, despite all the hate he got on here.

Real NHL coaches value defensemen who can actually skate and DEFEND. If you can't defend, it doesn't matter how much offense you produce, see Wideman.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Scorch

I Walk With Elias

I hope you all do too

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Ahaha, did J-Bo even score 17 goals total here?

He scored 17 for Florida. He played for Canada!

[Magnum PEI]

Im not huge on Hamilton, but why break that pairing? It was Hamonic/Brodie that was the problem. Im starting to think Treliving is a dud GM.

[DomeFoam]

If Fox has an insane year at Harvard and continues to rise the ranks as one of the best defense prospects in the game, that is not the correct sweetener you throw into a deal when Hamilton and Ferland should get it done on their own or with a lesser additional prospect. The value is off until Fox confirms he had no intention to sign here. I think Treliving really wanted these players and Carolina really wanted Fox, so Treliving gambled with Fox's perceived intent and who knows, maybe it bites us in the ass later. He can enjoy competing with Jake Bean now though if his intent wasn't to sign.

[droopydrew19]

I can see a lot of reasons why this trade was made....

If the core of this team realizes that Hamilton is not part of the solution they probably asked that he be moved. People that I know around the team say he was a bit of a flake and was an outcast. I started wondering about Hamilton when he was not selected to play in the U 23 team in last year‘s world cup. I think a lot of people around the league don’t like the energy brings to a room. Could be the reason Boston moved him as well.

Add in the fact that Ferland could command way more money than he’s worth next season and Fox showed no interest in signing in Calgary I think Tree did OK here.

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[spuzzum]

Originally Posted by Saqe

To my understanding Hanifin played 3rd pairing in Carolina. So I wouldn't exactly call him a Dougie Hamilton replacement.

Hanifin was Carolina's representative at the All Star game this past season.

I love this trade. We're faster, younger and a dramatic increase in skill. Roll the dice, Hafinin has the chance to turn into something extremely special. Few players skate like him and he's so young with 3 seasons under his belt. I consider him already equal to Hamilton with substantial potential.

Hamilton had an excellent statistical year offensively while not even getting 1st pairing PP minutes. I always found that bizarre. His defensive shortcomings are clearly evident and it was always frustrating watching him not utilize his strength & size with a tad more grit. He didn't have to be a Pronger but that frame was never put to good use. Odd again that his glaring weakness was in the defensive end.

Wonderful to sell high on Ferland especially approaching UFA. There's nothing more frustrating than a streaky player. Lindholm is certainly an intriguing player. While he might not be a 40 goals sniper we ultimately need, he's an excellent all around player with offensive upside and still young. Far higher ceiling than Ferland.

Fox is an unfortunate loss to the prospect cupboard but if there was an unwillingness to sign, it makes sense to include him rather than lose out on a substantial change to the dressing room.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by indes

So Bennett at 26 points is a bust and huge disappointment, Lindholm at 44 points is a stud in the making and will solve our goal scoring woes. With 16 last year. Yay.

Are you perhaps forgetting that 44 is almost double 26?

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

Lindholm is better than Ferland. 100%

Hanifin MAY excel to be as good as Hamilton. MAYBE.

Fox is one of the top rated dmen in the NCAA, and is worth WAY more than a throw in because he might not sign. I mentioned it in the other thread; Erixon got us 2 seconds and Roman Horak.

Do the math, and at this moment we lost. Big time. Maybe in the end we come out on top, but as they say...a bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush. Hamilton is worth FAR more than Hanifin, let elone Hamilton PLUS Fox to even out Lindholm/Ferland.

This trade straight up sucks.

Erixon got that return because Feaster had leverage in the fact that Erixon's camp made it clear he wanted to be in New York and was a lock to sign there.

[GreenLantern]

I think this is a good trade for the Flames. Lindholm can slot in on the right wing and is a decent sized body with great potential still.

Hanafin is trending upwards as a D man, every season he has improved steadily and is looking to be every bit the player he was projected at draft time.

I think the Flames sold high on Ferland who was way to inconsistent for a top six role. Fox it seems pretty clear wasn't really digging Calgary as a destination.

Hamilton I hate to lose, I will admit that. But I think our defense still looks good.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I think Valimaki is a clear whole tier ahead of Fox/Andersson/Kylington. Valimaki is a stud. Fox IMO is more likely to be a PP specialist with his size and skating. Valimaki has top pairing potential. There’s no chance Fox was our top prospect, he’s been overhyped on here by a few ppl.

I’ve always been much more worried about Fox signing than Gaudreau/Janko.

I think Kylington and Valimaki are on the same tier, both were ahead of Fox*, who i had ahead of Andersson. Kylington's thoroughly impressed me every time I watched the Heat and his reputation for mistakes is grossly overblown.

*Fox had the most offensive upside of maybe any Dman prospect in the league though. Limitations at 5v5 maybe but offense doesn't grow on trees.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by indes

So Bennett at 26 points is a bust and huge disappointment, Lindholm at 44 points is a stud in the making and will solve our goal scoring woes. With 16 last year. Yay.

Yeah, 18 points difference is basically a rounding error.


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[browna]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

So for me this trade works as follows:

I like the players we got in Hanifin and Lindholm.

I don't mind trading Dougie or Ferland.

I really don't like having to include Fox to get the deal done.

So overall I still am a "Meh" on the trade but mostly because I hate when you have deals that you give up the best player and the best prospect...that should never happen.

The first line is now set with three proper top line forwards.

The defense doesn’t lose anything, probably gains as this player is trusted defensively to kill penalties. Is younger. And can be played without Gio on the other side without said defensive concerns. And doesn’t have the whispers of his mental state off the ice where the Flames had to tip toe around some things. The Flames placating to sign and have his brother live with him since arriving just seemed weird, something Boston didn’t want to do. Hanifin will long term be more valuable and less of a headache on and off the ice.

Fox was an unsigned player who clearly wasn’t 100% all in on the Flames, who’ve kept tabs on him since before drafting him. Again, could be a Tom Edison thing, or a great player, but there is that magic bean element to a guy like thet, especially highly touted (in some circles).

Flames still need some secondary scoring, meaning Backlund and Frolik have to be better, or someone has to move up or be acquired to be on that line. It’s just not scary enough offensively for teams to worry too much about, and they can focus all on the top line.

Again, Peters having these two guys these past years is not to be overlooked for skill and attitude reasons alike.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

He scored 17 for Florida. He played for Canada!

Who cares what he did for Florida? He sucked in Calgary and Hamilton did not.

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[Burner]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Hamilton is a franchise defenseman

Hanifin might be, and had better be if the Flames want to have any chance of competing in the future.

I feel so bad for Gaudreau and Monahan who have to waste away their careers until UFA

Hamilton wasnt even a franchise defenseman on the Flames - that title belongs to Giordano

[browna]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Yeah, 18 points difference is basically a rounding error.


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Cmon, its just a minor increase. 69%.