score was 3-1, Ferland should have accepted the invitation. hindsight but the Wings wouldn't have scored the shorty if it went 4v4.
That's why it's useful to have a guy like Glass around, because you don't want Ferland to fight a plug like that.
Really, the 4th line RWer on the Flames should be handling this stuff.
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I have never, in my young life, worked in or known anyone who has had a boss that gets you “ready to work” when it’s time to do your job.
You come to work ready to work. That’s the expectation, whether you’re flipping burgers or playing hockey for hundreds of thousands of dollars or more a year.
Look at it this way. A university professor’s job is to teach, not to get the students ready to learn. It’s their job to provide the information that prepares them for the test, not literally sit there and make sure they take it all in and study enough.
When you’re adult, you come ready when you’re supposed to be ready. There’s no one out there holding your hand. Guys like Tkachuk? They come ready, you can tell. He’s getting the exact same info everyone is, so what’s stopping them?
No. People need motivation in pretty much every walk of life, especially when you have groups of people with dynamic personalities striving towards shared goals and going through ups and downs over a period of time. Its human nature and its pretty obvious if you look at any organization.
If your example was correct, the teacher wouldn't even be needed, the students could just learn directly from the text book. A good teacher can certainly inspire students to be more engaged with the material and thus enhance their learning and performance.
Anyways, I don't want to make this about GG because I think he deserves a bit of a break from the criticism. But this notion that the coach has no motivational responsibilities is false. There is a reason people value coaches/managers/mentors/teachers/leaders and companies pay big bucks to improve that in their organizations.
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A few weeks after crashing head-first into the boards (denting his helmet and being unable to move for a little while) following a hit from behind by Bob Errey, the Calgary Flames player explains:
"I was like Christ, lying on my back, with my arms outstretched, crucified"
-- Frank Musil - Early January 1994
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I have to agree with the people saying the team lacks toughness. We saw it late last season in that game vs Anaheim as well. The Flames are making progress as a very good team buy sometimes they seem like they are easily bullied.
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A few weeks after crashing head-first into the boards (denting his helmet and being unable to move for a little while) following a hit from behind by Bob Errey, the Calgary Flames player explains:
"I was like Christ, lying on my back, with my arms outstretched, crucified"
-- Frank Musil - Early January 1994
At the end of the day his biggest role is to have the team ready to play. He often doesnt.
Sure, but at what point are people gonna put this sort of blame on the players as well? People are so quick to say GG should have had them ready. Who's to say he didn't do his job in doing so, and the players just didn't show up? First game on a road trip, and they've played pretty damn good lately. Let's see how they rebound
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I have never, in my young life, worked in or known anyone who has had a boss that gets you “ready to work” when it’s time to do your job.
There are a gazillion books out there about leadership, and how to get the most out of your employees. You don't think your boss has any impact on how you deliver your work? That's insane.
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I have to agree with the people saying the team lacks toughness. We saw it late last season in that game vs Anaheim as well. The Flames are making progress as a very good team buy sometimes they seem like they are easily bullied.
I hate to be that guy that says it but that is why the Oilers beat us last year and the first game this season.
No. People need motivation in pretty much every walk of life, especially when you have groups of people with dynamic personalities striving towards shared goals and going through ups and downs over a period of time. Its human nature and its pretty obvious if you look at any organization.
If your example was correct, the teacher wouldn't even be needed, the students could just learn directly from the text book. A good teacher can certainly inspire students to be more engaged with the material and thus enhance their learning and performance.
Anyways, I don't want to make this about GG because I think he deserves a bit of a break from the criticism. But this notion that the coach has no motivational responsibilities is false. There is a reason people value coaches/managers/mentors/teachers/leaders and companies pay big bucks to improve that in their organizations.
Right.
Except in this case, motivation comes (or doesn't) from within the room - peer to peer.
This is so absolutely completely totally wrong.
I do not understand why people keep pushing this fairy tale, Hollywood narrative.
A coach's job is to implement a system, prepare the game plan, and adapt to game situations. Gulutzan may be good/bad at all/any/none of these things - I don't know. What I do know is that to motivate professional athletes to be ready to play is absolutely no part of his job description.
Honestly, you and PepsiFree are just flat out making up garbage on this topic. It is so phenomenally off I cannot comprehend the confidence with which you declare how right you are when you could not be any more wrong. Let's see if Google can possibly help me make my point.
You may have heard of a coach named Scotty Bowman...he's no Glen Gulutzan...but what was he universally known for as a coach?
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Bowman's attention to detail and relentless coaching style kept his players grounded and focused on what mattered most, winning a Stanley Cup.
A master of motivation and mind games, he knew how to get the most out of every player he handled, from superstars to role players.
I suppose that is just some CBC journalist's opinion though. Maybe you would consider a guy named Ken Dryden and what he said about Bowman:
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Here's what Ken Dryden wrote in The Game about how Scotty Bowman handled his Montreal Canadiens roster. This followed a blurb on Guy Lafleur and his unwavering ability to self-motivate...
Bowman feels much the same way about the team's other exceptional players -- about Gainey, Robinson, Savard, Lapointe, Shutt, Cournoyer, Lemaire. He believes that while he can set a constructive tone for the team, and can prepare these players physically and tactically, reminding them from time to time to their annoyance that they are not playing as they can, ultimately what drives them is them.
Not so the marginal player. Young players whose styles are not yet set, older players on the other side of their careers, their egos battered until they're willing to listen: These players are vulnerable and can be manipulated. So Bowman manipulates them--Tremblay, Chartraw, Larouche, Larocque, and others--sometimes cruelly. Benching them, ignoring them for long periods of time, he makes them worry, and makes them wonder why. Then the team hits injuries or a slump and he uncovers them again. He works them hard in practice, watching them, telling the press how hard and well they are working, making them feel they are earning their place in the team. Given a chance, usually at home, they give back an inspired game. A few games later, the inspiration fades, and it all starts again. He holds them by their emotional strings, often for many years, manipulating them until he gets out of them what he thinks is there; then, when he gets it, when feels it is grooved into place, he stops.
You may have also heard of a coach named Mike Babcock. I think some people consider him to be pretty good at what he does:
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“I get up every morning, and I do the best I can, and work as hard as I can to prepare my team the best I can,” Babcock said.
“Try to love the guys the best I can, try to make them feel good and make them better players. And I go home and love my family and I come here and do it the next day and over time things have worked out good.”
I could spend hours piling up stuff like this but since you have already 'knowingly' declared that motivating players to be prepared to perform is no part whatsoever of Glen Gulutzan's job description I will simply say this:
Fire whoever drafted his contract and left a fundamentally important part of a winning coach's job description out of its terms.
Oh....WAIT!!!!
Maybe...just maybe...they didn't leave it out of his job description. Some guy named Brad Treleving had this to say when he hired this fella:
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His ability to drive players. Ultimately, at the end of the day from my perspective, the most important quality for a coach is to maximize the ability each player has, and the team has.”
And according to Glen Gulutzan, he seems to think having an emotional bank account with his players is a big deal:
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“When you build trust and you build relationships, you get something that’s long-lasting and you create an emotional bank account with players,” explained the former Saskatoon Blades captain who worked on a teaching degree before embarking on a minor-pro career as a player.
“When you need to make a withdrawal from that account, and you have a good bank account, you can withdraw from that account. If you need to push or prod or yell or maximize…whatever it is you’re going to do with those players, if you have a good base, if you have a good trust, you can push them a long way and they will play better.
And possibly my favorite quote from the article, so it gets full bold:
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And he’ll attempt to be a coach/psychologist/psychiatrist for 23 players
But, now that I really think about it, yeah there's no reason to buy into Hollywood fantasies that coaches have any role whatsoever in motivating professional athletes.
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Yeah I wasn't crazy about that either. I felt the whole brawl was kind of pointless.
Witkowski gives a couple of shoves to Kulak when he's down but it shouldn't have been that big of a deal. Kulak went into the fight willingly, lost pretty squarely, but didn't seem that rattled. Happens, the game is gone, just move on. This isn't some division rival we need to be mentally prepared to hate.
Losing sucks but it's just 2 points no matter the score. However if you take suspensions then this game keeps hurting you in the next game, and that's just stupid.
I see it as some goon beats up our guy. Fine, no biggie. The extra shots when he was already down were un necessary and classless... ok, maybe say something to him and then let it go. Then he immediately goes after Hamonic.... ok now clearly this is just a turd, who is enjoying his 15 seconds of fame to much and now deserves to square off with a more worthy opponent, but whatever. Remember his number and take care of it later. When he comes over to the bench after all this, in a blowout game and starts beaking the bench is where a team has to stand up and draw the line. If my team is getting blown out like that and this goon is pulling that s***, I'm going after him too.
It's unfortunate the way the penalties were handed out, but in that case the team had to step up and show they weren't taking that crap.
Good on Tkachuk, and the rest of them to not take that BS
Right.
Except in this case, motivation comes (or doesn't) from within the room - peer to peer.
It certainly can. But the coach is an authoritative position so he holds more influence.
If the coach isn't paying attention to motivating he certainly should be. His job is always the first one on the line.
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A few weeks after crashing head-first into the boards (denting his helmet and being unable to move for a little while) following a hit from behind by Bob Errey, the Calgary Flames player explains:
"I was like Christ, lying on my back, with my arms outstretched, crucified"
-- Frank Musil - Early January 1994
I figured GG did say that.I dislike him even more.When has Calgary ever got bullied by the Wings?I remember the Probert and Kocur days we always had a answer .
Am I the only one that thinks the NHL should look at both incidents that Witkowski was involved with tonight? For sure, coming back onto the ice is a textbook 10 game suspension.
The other incident I am referring to is right at the 14second mark:
Anyone else think that this should be looked at? After seeing Engelland, McGrattan, etc., take the trouble to try and prevent their opponent from smashing their head on the ice, this just seems totally despicable to me. Kulak - a non-fighter and a rookie to boot - gets KO'd, is obviously dazed, and Witkowski picks him up and smashes him to the ice? Then he tries to do it again, but thankfully the linesmen step in.
Outright goon. Not an 'enforcer' in my book. Just an outright goon. The NHL needs to get these guys out of the league. I thought that they were all gone long ago, even before the 'enforcers' (yes, I make that distinction) were gone.
Well, these incidents are what makes NHL teams sign these types of players. You don't need (or want one) until suddenly you do. If this was a team that Calgary would meet again this year, you could bet that Treliving would have recalled Gazdic up. Heck, I almost think that someone like Darryl Sutter would have seen Witkowski on the roster, remembered Brouwer's fight the previous game, and recalled Gazdic 'just in case'. Not saying Gulutzan dropped the ball or anything like that, but it sure seemed to me like suddenly Detroit weren't just interested in winning the game any longer. They seemed to want a pound of flesh.
Anyway, I just thought that was the most disgusting incident that was at least visible from the camera angles. I really hate seeing that, even as a fan who really enjoys games that are chippy and fight-filled (so much emotion in those games). Hope the NHL throws the book at him, and it is the last we see of the Witkowski-types. I really believe in 'the code', especially when you see enforcers take it to heart (like Engelland and McGrattan who try and prevent their opponents from hitting their heads on the ice). Witkowski should know better - that is his living. To see him purposefully do something that disgusting really gets to me.
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