[PGT] Detroit 8 Calgary 2

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Weird I thought "coaching" and having the team ready were basically same thing....are you speaking a different kind of English than the rest of us?

Yes. I’m speaking English English, not to be confused with English English (you know, the other English).

(but also yes, you’re wrong)

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I have never, in my young life, worked in or known anyone who has had a boss that gets you “ready to work” when it’s time to do your job.

You come to work ready to work. That’s the expectation, whether you’re flipping burgers or playing hockey for hundreds of thousands of dollars or more a year.


Look at it this way. A university professor’s job is to teach, not to get the students ready to learn. It’s their job to provide the information that prepares them for the test, not literally sit there and make sure they take it all in and study enough.

When you’re adult, you come ready when you’re supposed to be ready. There’s no one out there holding your hand. Guys like Tkachuk? They come ready, you can tell. He’s getting the exact same info everyone is, so what’s stopping them?

Ya, I totally disagree. I think these players are humans and not robots no matter how proffesional they are. A true leader spends time making sure his team is ready for every challange. I have led large teams of people as well as small groups. Getting them primed for a meeting or a big day is always a key to success.

Also I wouldn't consider a lot of these young players adults. A fair amount of them are only a few years removed from being teenager's.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by JJFlash

I don't think it is so much a matter of which ones he could save as much as he was not tracking pucks that were deflected or trying hard enough to work through screens. I was hoping Gillies would make a statement but I did not see it.

And also Lack is one of GG's guys. We've seen with certain players (Bartowski) if you are a GG guy he will protect you.

Good goalies make big saves. None of the goals were bad, but he didn't make a single good save. I won't write him off yet, but he's been bad so far.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by AC

I can't see him throwing any punches in the SNET replay.

Looks like he grabs at Ericsson, but the linesman immediately stops Ferland from doing anything further.

Originally Posted by Anduril

Didn't watch the game but after seeing the replay/highlights, why is Tkachuk instigating as much as he is? I get that's how he plays and that's when he's at his best but I can't help but to think that this was the wrong time, place and person.

It's a blowout game that you're losing, Witowski just took it way too far against Kulak with a dirty slam but Witowski is already off the ice and Tkachuk reaches in for the tap?
Okay fine, now there's some posturing with teams getting in each other's face. Even so, Witowski is still pulled back and turns to leave. Tkachuk goes too far again in shoving him. Why? Are you going to send a message to a player and a team that you'll no longer see for the rest of the regular season? Or a statement to the league that you'll stand up for your team when a no-name guy is already being sent off by initiating a scrum?

Not going to point a finger at any single player or individual moment as it all played a part but did want to share my 2 cents on Tkachuk's part in it.

That tap by Tkachik probably just got that guys suspened for ten games with no pay.

Witkowski just got back into the lime up only because of injuries.
He doesn't make a lot of money and possibly just blew his chance for playing for a good amount of time.

Thats why.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

He didn't throw any punches.

If you look closely Jager is holding Felands right arm.
He had it locked and loaded but as soon as Feland got to the end of the bench Jager grabbed him

Garland went to throw a punch but the G.O.A.t grabbed a hold of him.

Jagr, it's bad to mis-spell the name of the GOAT

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Jagr, it's bad to mis-spell the name of the GOAT

Auto- correct . Just got a new S8. It is still learning.

[Stay Golden]

It all comes down to how the team rebounds after this embarressment. It's too bad they had this poor quality of a game after all the great recent entertaining games the team has put together.
If Smith is not injured I doubt very much the Flames would have stunk out the joint. Lack just is not reliable even as a backup.
The NHL better show consistency for the rules and give that idiot the automatic 10 games and the other Redwing that grabbed Hamonic who was engaged in a fight with Mantha from behind while on the bench should get a few games too. Also if they have any sense of accountabily of a wrong call Tkachuks tap on the ankle does not and never has been interpretered as a spear??? Honestly I will be disappointed in the management if Treliving or Burke do not vocally push back on this.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Auto- correct . Just got a new S8. It is still learning.

I hate those too

[tkflames]

If Lack wants any chance at being an NHL goalie next year, he needs to take a 2 week conditioning stint in the AHL. There is no way to find your game playing once a month...and he won't get many more starts with how tight this race is shaking out to be. Most likely Vegas and Vancouver will drop out, the oil and wild will pull back in and the net result is that two very good teams will not make the playoffs.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by jd456

Kind of random, but did anyone else notice in the Sportsnet clip that when Hamonic fell through the door, Monahan of all people looked like he was going to jump on the ice and Lazar and Brouwer grabbed him?

Good catch. It happens at around 1:32 of the YouTube video, for those who were curious.

It does seem very odd, as Monahan was calmly watching a moment ago - Hamonic crashing through the gate clearly set him off somehow. He even tried to briefly struggle through both Brouwer and Lazar just to get on the ice. For someone who isn't exactly known for his temper, it's oddly refreshing.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

Fact is we’ve had, for the most part, veznina nom goaltending so far this season.

I've said this before, but if there's a very typical blind spot for Flames fans, it's lack of understanding just how good NHL goaltending is on average. It's almost as if people are so used to seeing subpar goaltending they've lost sight of what average is these days.

No, Smith has not been playing at a Vezina level. He's had some great games, some good games and some very average games, which brings his total performance down to something like "nice". He's 22nd in SV% and 26th in GAA (out of goalies with at least 1 games played). It's not bad considering the team has had some pretty iffy defensive play, definitely better than Elliott or Johnson have been playing, but it's not outstanding and certainly not Vezina level.

Don't get me wrong, I like Smith, I think he's a good goaltender who gives us a chance to win. I like his competitiveness and I think it's going to be a huge thing when the playoffs come (and yeah I think this is a playoff team).

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Ya, I totally disagree. I think these players are humans and not robots no matter how proffesional they are. A true leader spends time making sure his team is ready for every challange. I have led large teams of people as well as small groups. Getting them primed for a meeting or a big day is always a key to success.

Also I wouldn't consider a lot of these young players adults. A fair amount of them are only a few years removed from being teenager's.

This is so absolutely completely totally wrong.
I do not understand why people keep pushing this fairy tale, Hollywood narrative.
A coach's job is to implement a system, prepare the game plan, and adapt to game situations. Gulutzan may be good/bad at all/any/none of these things - I don't know.
What I do know is that to motivate professional athletes to be ready to play is absolutely no part of his job description.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Good catch. It happens at around 1:32 of the YouTube video, for those who were curious.

It does seem very odd, as Monahan was calmly watching a moment ago - Hamonic crashing through the gate clearly set him off somehow. He even tried to briefly struggle through both Brouwer and Lazar just to get on the ice. For someone who isn't exactly known for his temper, it's oddly refreshing.

I guess the silver lining of this loss is that we found out that our kids are not afraid to mix it up.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Ya, I totally disagree. I think these players are humans and not robots no matter how proffesional they are. A true leader spends time making sure his team is ready for every challange. I have led large teams of people as well as small groups. Getting them primed for a meeting or a big day is always a key to success.

Also I wouldn't consider a lot of these young players adults. A fair amount of them are only a few years removed from being teenager's.

Of course they’re humans, but I just don’t get where you’re coming from blaming Gulutzan for them not being mentally prepared to compete.

At school, it’s up to you to come prepared to learn and apply that knowledge.
At work, it’s up to you to come prepared to work and apply your skill set.

Are there people, bosses and teachers, that help you along the way? Sure. They might give you some encouragement, give you tools you’ll need along the way, but if you aren’t coming into it mentally prepared then that’s on you, not on your boss or your teacher.

You’d get crucified if you blamed your poor effort on your boss not getting you “mentally prepared to work that day.”

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by Itse

I've said this before, but if there's a very typical blind spot for Flames fans, it's lack of understanding just how good NHL goaltending is on average. It's almost as if people are so used to seeing subpar goaltending they've lost sight of what average is these days.

No, Smith has not been playing at a Vezina level. He's had some great games, some good games and some very average games, which brings his total performance down to something like "nice". He's 22nd in SV% and 26th in GAA (out of goalies with at least 1 games played). It's not bad considering the team has had some pretty iffy defensive play, definitely better than Elliott or Johnson have been playing, but it's not outstanding and certainly not Vezina level.

Don't get me wrong, I like Smith, I think he's a good goaltender who gives us a chance to win. I like his competitiveness and I think it's going to be a huge thing when the playoffs come (and yeah I think this is a playoff team).

you lost me a goalies who have played 1 game. His bracket to be judged in is the workhorse bracket. Guys who have Played less than 5-7 games don’t count. Although, would love to have one of those performers. We clearly do not.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Calgary should lay the groundwork with Montreal to see if they can get Price.

[Jaybo]

Eddie Lack has a small sample size for this season but his historic numbers aren't better than Chad Johnson's who was already here (can't honestly remember - why'd we let him go again?)

Plus I think there's something to be said about their respective intangibles - for example, a big deal was made of Chad Johnson being a "Calgary kid" whose dream was to play here whereas I still can't look at Lack without thinking of him as a Vancouver Canuck for some reason. :-(

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

Goals 3-5. Smith saves those. And brand new game with us controlling the play. You can make excuses for all of them. Sure. But big saves there (which we get from Smith) changes that game.

Don't agree. I suggest you watch many highlights to see how often these types of shots are stopped. I have seen Smith give up goals on perfect bar down shots and wicked tips.

Detroit scored highlight reel goals and Calgary skaters enabled them

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

I guess the silver lining of this loss is that we found out that our kids are not afraid to mix it up.

I don't notice Sam in the brawl. Poor fella must have been trapped on the far side of the bench with nothing to do but to crane his head to see what's going on, lol. The exact sort of environment that gets his fire up and he may as well have been watching from the pressbox!

[dino7c]

God if I was Pat on overtime I would be fired in 10 seconds

are people really this stupid? "Flames need a guy like Luke Witkowski"

27 year old with 4 career points you moron...about to get a career ending suspension

hope you post here lol