If being there would have made him feel important, he would have been there.
At the time there might have been somewhere else he could go to make him feel even more important. Who knows? Bottom line is no one could have stopped him from being there if he wanted to be, no one could have went in his place if didn't want them to be there in his place. For whatever reason he decided not to go and he was ok with Ivanka going in his absence. Not going and having a woman go instead were good decisions, whether those decision were the result of constructive reasoning or complete indifference, at this point you gotta take whatever good you can get out of this president.
At the time there might have been somewhere else he could go to make him feel even more important. Who knows? Bottom line is no one could have stopped him from being there if he wanted to be, no one could have went in his place if didn't want them to be there in his place. For whatever reason he decided not to go and he was ok with Ivanka going in his absence. Not going and having a woman go instead were good decisions, whether those decision were the result of constructive reasoning or complete indifference, at this point you gotta take whatever good you can get out of this president.
I have to respect your positivity here, even if I can't share it.
As far as I understand Trump was out at a one-on-one meeting, which is common at these things for places to be filled by people from the delegation when the president is away.
Still doesn't mean she should have been the one, if Trump wasn't her dad she would not have been there, it's nepotism, a form of corruption.
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Umm, that's not "Antifa", that's Black Bloc. Just like it says in the header
Btw, I find it very interesting how now that fascists have started to get serious political pull and impact on the internet, suddenly violent anarchists = Antifa.
It's interesting since anarchists and Antifa have existed as separate movements for decades, without any confusion before. Even Black Blocs have existed for decades now.
G20 and G8 meetings have seen plenty of riots and demonstrations over the years by various anti-capitalist groups, but suddenly it's now Antifa that's to blame? Why is that?
(Of course there is likely to be overlap between the Black Blocs and people who are in Antifa, as one is a tactic and another is a collection of people from various groups, including anarchists and far-left groups.)
It's almost as if somebody has an agenda there.
It's also sad how especially the media focus of Hamburgs G20 demonstrations have been hijacked by a relatively small violent group. Here's what the final day of the demonstrations in Hamburg like. It's actually predominantly peaceful there.
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...man, all the global stuff has started to make me forget all the basic European stuff. In my defense not a lot has changed there so it's easy to forget it's still going on.
A quick word about Hamburg.
Hamburg is home to one of Europes strongest far-left / anarchist autonomous movements. They have their own semi-legendary 2. Bundesliga club and everything, with something like 10-20k members. I'm sure many here know European soccer clubs often do double duty as political extremist movements, so that's a big, well organized block of trouble makers. Same groups also raised hell in 2007 G8 meetings, (also in Hamburg obviously).
So while there's probably plenty of "tourists" involved too, what's going on in Hamburg is really mostly local stuff suddenly brought to boil and given a spotlight. Most of the time far-left/anarchist groups tend to spend their time bickering amongst themselves. (This is the same everywhere, it's an inherent feature of these types of political movements.)
Their local fights with local the police normally only get local media coverage. A G20 meeting provides a common enemy and a ton of global visibility. Now you suddenly have thousands or tens of thousands of those troublemakers working together, with an axe to grind with the generally hated local riot police. (Hamburg has a pretty strong left-leaning / alternative culture beyond the autonomists.) Combine that with a zillion out-of-town reporters who understandably know nothing about Hamburgs specific situation, and you get what you get; a media coverage that is just completely out to lunch with what's going on.
Many in Germany also feel the Hamburg police has never been able to handle these situations well, meaning they both provoke people unnecessarily and are unable to react when things inevitably go bad. In other wrods, putting the G20 meeting in Hamburg was a stupid idea.
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Many in Germany also feel the Hamburg police has never been able to handle these situations well, meaning they both provoke people unnecessarily and are unable to react when things inevitably go bad. In other wrods, putting the G20 meeting in Hamburg was a stupid idea.
I was going to say, why would they continue to host these kinds of meetings in Hamburg if that is the case.
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Economic mobility is lower in the U.S. than in almost any other country in the OECD. The U.S. and the UK have relatively low levels of mobility, while Canada, Germany, and Australia have high levels of mobility. The key factor seems to be education. In the U.S. and UK, the quality and access to education a child receives correlates strongly to their parents income. More affluent neighbourhoods mean better schools. In Canada and Germany, the quality of education doesn't vary nearly as much by income.
The relationship between father-son earnings is tighter in the United States than in most peer OECD countries, meaning U.S. mobility is among the lowest of major industrialized economies. The relatively low correlations between father-son earnings in Scandinavian countries provide a stark contradiction to the conventional wisdom. An elasticity of 0.47 found in the United States offers much less likelihood of moving up than an elasticity of 0.18 or less, as characterizes Finland, Norway, and Denmark...
Compared with many European countries, for example, few Americans end up with an income or educational level that is substantially different than their parents. Research by economists from Harvard and Berkeley found that fewer than 10 percent of people in the bottom fifth of the wealth distribution will make it into the top fifth. Things weren't much better for the middle class: Only about 20 percent of people in the middle fifth would rise into the top fifth over the course of their lives...
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Economic mobility is lower in the U.S. than in almost any other country in the OECD. The U.S. and the UK have relatively low levels of mobility, while Canada, Germany, and Australia have high levels of mobility. The key factor seems to be education. In the U.S. and UK, the quality and access to education a child receives correlates strongly to their parents income. More affluent neighbourhoods mean better schools. In Canada and Germany, the quality of education doesn't vary nearly as much by income.
You can't compare the United States to other countries because it's different. Sorry.
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Economic mobility is lower in the U.S. than in almost any other country in the OECD. The U.S. and the UK have relatively low levels of mobility, while Canada, Germany, and Australia have high levels of mobility. The key factor seems to be education. In the U.S. and UK, the quality and access to education a child receives correlates strongly to their parents income. More affluent neighbourhoods mean better schools. In Canada and Germany, the quality of education doesn't vary nearly as much by income.
Rubio with the zinger about Trump saying to team up with Putin to create a Cyber Security unit.
"While reality & pragmatism requires that we engage Vladimir Putin, he will never be a trusted ally or a reliable constructive partner. Partnering with Putin on a 'Cyber Security Unit' is akin to partnering with Assad on a 'Chemical Weapons Unit'."
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I was going to say, why would they continue to host these kinds of meetings in Hamburg if that is the case.
Many Germans have asked the same question before, during and after the event. Possibly people just have short memories?
The Hamburg police obviously assured everyone they can handle it. There's also money involved, and probably some local political angles. I'm sure no one will take responsibility for the decision anymore.
I wish every time Rubio or McCain or Lindsay Graham made some attempt to actually be critical of Trump, someone would follow up with "But you vote with his take 98% of the time, so....".
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