American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

Class mobility, what country has more of an opportunity to move up the economic ladder then the US? Your NBC fake news (like that) piece said "it was less likely then many Americans would like to believe". That doesn't mean it doesn't happen, it just might not happen as much as some believe. It's a ridiculous statement. That's like me saying it rains less often in Vancouver, then some would like to believe.

Here's why comparing the Scandinavian countries is cherry picking. You are talking about small in both size population and ethnically homogeneous. It didn't have the same social issues to deal with like a country like Canada. We got large populations of First Nations, Quebecois and other Northern European cultures. There's also things like not being involved in ww2 (Sweden). I could go on and on. Most Countries have different historical circumstances that make these comparisons pointless.

Right, so just as I said then. When socialism fails, it's because of socialism. When capitalism fails, it's because of other underlying circumstances.

Where has Capitalism failed?

So if it's a hard comparison to make, then why do you keep asserting it as if it's an objective truth.? You've clearly made the comparison based on something but you can't tell me what that something is, other than that the Soviet-style socialism was a massive failure, and even that is a very basic and ahistorical perspective.

I'm not, I'm saying that Socialism for the most part will always fail given enough time. You can Cherry pick the Scandinavian countries to try to prove your point but it's not a good comparison. A big part of why the US is the richest country the world has ever seen is because of small government and the principles of free market capitalism, that is just a fact and so I guess you can call that an objective truth.

Who in their right mind can say Soviet-style Socialism was anything other then a complete catastrophe and blemish on human history? How many millions of people have to die before you can admit this idea of a collectivist utopia is a bad one.

Wait, is anyone anywhere advocating for "Soviet-style" socialism? Or are you just arguing against yourself?

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by New Era

But the left is violent...

http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...c-posts-215344

What was it not even a month ago some crazed Bernie supporter shot up a Republican charity baseball practice. I don't pacifism is something antifa is into.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

I always do.

Any new developments in this Russia meddling conspiracy? Any promising leads?

I honestly don't know what is more ridiculous, Trumps presidency or this Russian conspiracy.

Jim Sciutto @jimsciutto

Breaking: Secretary of State Tillerson says President Trump & Putin had lengthy discussion on Russian interference in US election
10:27 AM · Jul 7, 2017 from Washington, DC

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Sweden has more billionaires per capita than the United States.

http://www.slate.com/articles/busine...ed_states.html

Those socialist bastards.

And Monaco tops the list. Notice I said how many.

9 million people compared to 330 million or whatever the US currently is.

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Wait, is anyone anywhere advocating for "Soviet-style" socialism? Or are you just arguing against yourself?

"So if it's a hard comparison to make, then why do you keep asserting it as if it's an objective truth.? You've clearly made the comparison based on something but you can't tell me what that something is, other than that the Soviet-style socialism was a massive failure, and even that is a very basic and ahistorical perspective."

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Jim Sciutto @jimsciutto

Breaking: Secretary of State Tillerson says President Trump & Putin had lengthy discussion on Russian interference in US election
10:27 AM · Jul 7, 2017 from Washington, DC

Speaking of CNN, watching them melt in this meme war has been highly entertaining.

One of my favourites.

https://twitter.com/GrrrGraphics/sta...34165326696448

[dash_pinched]

Not even protests can stop the power of pizza.

That’s what you call a good work ethic!
During the G20 protests in Hamburg on Thursday, it was not just the left-wing demonstrators attracting attention.
Footage of a pizza delivery driver snaking through the crowds appeared on live television footage of the protests.
His apparent bravery earned him praise on Twitter.

http://www.euronews.com/2017/07/07/p...ugh-g20-crowds

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

Class mobility, what country has more of an opportunity to move up the economic ladder then the US? Your NBC fake news (like that) piece said "it was less likely then many Americans would like to believe". That doesn't mean it doesn't happen, it just might not happen as much as some believe. It's a ridiculous statement. That's like me saying it rains less often in Vancouver, then some would like to believe.

4% of the population has gone from rags to riches. Those are basically lottery odds. It isn't proof of anything.

Again, show some evidence or else you're just spouting rhetoric. You've been asked to provide some evidence to back up your claims multiple times and you've yet to do it even once. Where is your evidence that class mobility is more statistically probable in the U.S. than say Canada, Sweden, or the U.K.?

Here's why comparing the Scandinavian countries is cherry picking. You are talking about small in both size population

I guess you just glossed over the part where I talked about comparing Scandinavian countries to capitalist countries of similar size and popularity, eh?

ethnically homogeneous.

Oh good. This old, tired, racist, libertarian trope.

There's also things like not being involved in ww2 (Sweden). I could go on and on.

Hmmm...if only there was an example of a successful socialist country with a large, ethnically diverse population, and comparatively large land size, that had not only been involved in two World Wars but had actually lost them and since recovered to become one of biggest economic, cultural, and social powerhouses again.

Where has Capitalism failed?

Oh is this where I get to point out different countries in which capitalism has failed in various ways and you get to "no true Scotsman" the debate again?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

Speaking of CNN, watching them melt in this meme war has been highly entertaining.

One of my favourites.

https://twitter.com/GrrrGraphics/sta...34165326696448

LOL...Ben Garrison. You really are a libertarian caricature.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

"So if it's a hard comparison to make, then why do you keep asserting it as if it's an objective truth.? You've clearly made the comparison based on something but you can't tell me what that something is, other than that the Soviet-style socialism was a massive failure, and even that is a very basic and ahistorical perspective."

Someone's reading comprehension skills aren't all that well developed.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

The Associated Press @AP
BREAKING: Russian foreign minister says Trump accepted Putin's assurances that Russia didn't meddle in the U.S. election.

lol.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

The Associated Press @AP
BREAKING: Russian foreign minister says Trump accepted Putin's assurances that Russia didn't meddle in the U.S. election.

lol.

Well that settles it. I guess it's a dead issue now and we can go back to caring about Clintons emails instead of the hundreds of other lies trump has told the public.

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

The Associated Press @AP
BREAKING: Russian foreign minister says Trump accepted Putin's assurances that Russia didn't meddle in the U.S. election.

lol.

Spoiler!

[Wastedyouth]

What is "Antifa"?

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

"So if it's a hard comparison to make, then why do you keep asserting it as if it's an objective truth.? You've clearly made the comparison based on something but you can't tell me what that something is, other than that the Soviet-style socialism was a massive failure, and even that is a very basic and ahistorical perspective."

Good grief. Here you go:

Soviet-style socialism was a massive failure. I do not believe that the Soviet Union is a good economic or political model for the United States or Canada to emulate.

Happy? Can we start to discuss reasonable non-centrally-planned-economy proposals for government intervention in the economy now (like progressive income tax codes and a single payer healthcare model) in the economy now

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

What is "Antifa"?

Unemployed, white privileged fascists with half a liberal arts degree.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Unemployed, white privileged fascists with half a liberal arts degree.

Wait, I thought they were employed by George Soros?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

What is "Antifa"?

They are what we used to call anarchists back in the day. They claim to be anti-fascist, but in reality they are anti-everything. They are like the alt-right, except they believe everyone should be a target instead of just people who aren't white.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Wait, I thought they were employed by George Soros?

Hmmm noo I think you're confusing antifa with the Clintons.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Unemployed, white privileged fascists with half a liberal arts degree.

See, antifa and alt-right are very close. The alt-right are unemployed, white-power fascists with half a brain and propensity for Oedipal or Electral love.