[Rumour] Friedman: Flames have inquired about Pittsburgh Goalie Matt Murray

[Strange Brew]

Hard to see that Gillies would be involved in a trade for Murray, from the Pens perspective. Gillies is a good prospect but consensus is that he is not as strong as Murray. So you wouldn't think he would be the centerpiece of the trade. Kind of like trading down in the draft. You generally don't do that unless you're not in love with who's available and you have strong feelings on some lower ranked guys. Since Gillies hasn't really played this year I doubt the Pens are really hard after him.

If Murray's value is around a 2nd round pick, or 2nd and 3rd, then maybe the Flames could get him for a rental.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bezer

Demko plays for BC not BU.

Knew that, thought I typed that and it came up BU. Phone must have autocorrected me.

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Honest question though. If the asking price was Gillies + expiring vet would you do it?

It's arguable Murray is more proven right now. But Gillies definitely has a similar if not better ceiling. Do you make the move to cut down on the development time for a potential starter?

Gillies is needed just as much as Murray. Without Gillies we are in the same hole from an organizational perspective and have less in the pipeline. You want to get a young goaltender that can step in now, allow Gillies to come up next year or the following year, and then McDonald three to four years from now. You don't trade Gillies at this point.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

The organization seems really high on Gillies so it would be odd to move him.
But in bringing in another goalie from the same draft year, it would be a bit odd not to move him.

Its interesting for sure.

LA had Quick in their system for several years and still took Bernier in the first round. Acquiring another goalie prospect who hasn't done anything is no reason to sell Gillies down the river.

Matt Murray is going to cost a negligible amount of money for the next few years. So will Jon Gillies. No reason to not keep both if we have them.

[Mister Yamoto]

Murray seems to be exactly what the Penguins would need right now.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Boy passing on Demko is costing this team dearly but when it comes to goaltenders the Flames have always done things the hard way. If they think this kid is the real deal then I would hope they are ready to put out a good offer. That said good AHL stats do not necessarily make for a star NHL goaltender. Really hard to assign a proper value IMO as this guy could be an NHL starter or an expensive backup.

Please explain to me how passing on Demko, a kid who has yet to play professional hockey, is costing this team dearly?

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

Murray seems to be exactly what the Penguins would need right now.

Quiet you.
Nothing to see here.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Please explain to me how passing on Demko, a kid who has yet to play professional hockey, is costing this team dearly?

Because the guy we drafted made the WJ team, which apparently equates to showing no progression.

Mason Macdonald remains a viable prospect. Goalies require patience.

If they think this Murray kid is ready, I trust management to do the right thing and get him.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I don't think McDonald's development is going that poorly. Demko plays on a great college team so that helps his numbers quite a bit. I think the Flames had a very hard decision that draft deciding which goalie to take and the verdict is far from rendered.



Disagree that they were determined to pick a goalie there. I think goalies were the best player available at that range.



Let's revisit that one in about 5 years.

I knew you would be the one to reply.

Disagree. They were taking a goalie with that pick when Lemieux went earlier. I need to dig it up but I recall reading that.

And yes it takes a while to see but no denying that Macdonald isn't much better now than when he was drafted. That's what I'm saying....very little progression.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

LA had Quick in their system for several years and still took Bernier in the first round. Acquiring another goalie prospect who hasn't done anything is no reason to sell Gillies down the river.

Matt Murray is going to cost a negligible amount of money for the next few years. So will Jon Gillies. No reason to not keep both if we have them.

bernier is a few years younger than quick, so to me that's more like the flames drafting McDonald.

Anyway I'm not knocking anything. What do I know about goalies. I just think it would be an uncommon spot - maybe more like if the Kings had acquired rask when both he and quick were 21 and looking to be future number 1s.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Jon Gilies and our top 6 pick? Oh my. Matt Murray would be an interesting pick up but he'd be another bullet in the goalie chamber.

Have little doubt if Gillies was healthy he'd be a star in the AHL this season. He had two shutouts in his first three games! You pick up Murray if you can at a price that makes sense, you don't go all in for him.

[kyuss275]

i believe Pitt when they say that they are not interested in trading Murray. Why would they? He is going to be cheap for the next couple of years. They need a cappable backup for Fleury for now. He will start next year as the back-up and work his way up to starter over the next 2 years. I could see Pitt trading Fleury if Murray becomes the #1 in the next year and a half to 2 years.

I would rate Murray's value close to being a blue chip prospect. If they were dumb enough to trade him, it would take a lot.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

I'd go as high as offering our 2017-1st for Murray but it would have to be top 3 protected.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

All the rankings I saw had demko rated higher. But I'm sure some had Mason higher. But if so, I didn't see it

I was probably thinking of the flames interviews after the draft, which of course they would say they had him ranked higher if they took him first.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

I knew you would be the one to reply.

Disagree. They were taking a goalie with that pick when Lemieux went earlier. I need to dig it up but I recall reading that.

And yes it takes a while to see but no denying that Macdonald isn't much better now than when he was drafted. That's what I'm saying....very little progression.

Yes they were taking a goalie. You can't prove that it was them forcing it instead of just taking the best player available.

[dissentowner]

Murray would cost a lot. The Penguins are very high on him and rightfully so. I think if they could they would move MAF before Murray but he has a NMC. I would be ok with something like Russell+Klimchuk+2nd for Murray.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

I'd go as high as offering our 2017-1st for Murray but it would have to be top 3 protected.

Ugh. The g market is soft and is one of the areas where you can upgrade at a low acquisition cost. Hold onto the pick. Get a stop gap vet who can bridge the gap between gillies and McDonald being ready.

[Conroy4Mayor]

From what Kristen Odland says in the Herald today, signing Ramo for next season may not even be a possibility:

Goaltender Jonas Hiller will get his fifth straight start since Karri Ramo’s career-ending injury.

http://calgaryherald.com/sports/hock...-straight-game

Maybe Kristen is hearing from the team doctors that Ramo may not recover to prior form. Or maybe she missed her morning coffee and typed "career" when she meant to say "season". Hopefully it's the latter. I like Ramo.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Ugh. The g market is soft and is one of the areas where you can upgrade at a low acquisition cost. Hold onto the pick. Get a stop gap vet who can bridge the gap between gillies and McDonald being ready.

Normally I would agree but Murray looks legit. Honestly I think that if we got him, that 2017-1st would be in the 18-22 range. Well worth it to address the team's critical weakness. Murray's chance of being a good player is higher than anyone that we'd get in in the mid 1st. He fits the age of the team so well too, something that shouldn't be ignored. The risk is that he would bomb and the team would tank again but there needs to be some incentive for Pittsburgh here.

[Bezer]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

And how does that change his point?

I am sure you are smart enough to figure out that it doesn't change the point. It was a simple correction for a pretty big distinction.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

I'd go as high as offering our 2017-1st for Murray but it would have to be top 3 protected.

You're crazy. So you wanna give up for Murray what NJ gave up for Schneider?

This kid would have to be the next Varlamov or Schneider if you're paying that price.