How long until Kiprusoff's jersey is retired?

[Reign of Fire]

If they ever scratch the whole "forever a flame" fiasco, do they go back and retire those numbers?

[H2SO4(aq)]

I don't really care if they retire numbers or not, but can we please take Getzlaf down from our rafters?

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

I don't really care if they retire numbers or not, but can we please take Getzlaf down from our rafters?

The Hitmen use the rink same as the Flames and they have a right to retire their own players if they want.

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

The Hitmen use the rink same as the Flames and they have a right to retire their own players if they want.

Take it down and put it in storage for a few years. I hate seeing that too.

[Resolute 14]

Oh god, wah.

[TX_Flame]

Originally Posted by Iceman90

According to Ken King, we won't be retiring any new numbers, we'll just be honouring them in the Forever a Flame program from now on.

That's too bad. "Forever a Flame" is kind of lame to me. Unless it was used to honour a 2nd tier of Flames stars such as Pepper and Loob while reserving retirement for such legends as Lanny, Theo, Killer, Big Al and Iggy.

[TX_Flame]

Originally Posted by flameswin

I'll admit to maybe going a little overboard in my defense of Fleury that was called out, but to sum up Fleury's career as a bit player on our Stanley Cup winning team is incredibly disingenuous.

Maybe it's because you're old, but for a lot of younger fans he literally was the Flames for the better part of the nineties. Absolutely dominate in skill and singlehandedly put fans in the seats for years. He was one of the best players in the entire league during a large era of time that you completely omitted in your dismissal of his accomplishments.

In fact you literally only gave him credit for his rookie season in the NHL AND used it against him, calling him a bit player.

Yeah there was absolutely nothing dominating about Fleury in his prime. Clueless. And it always seems to be the older posters that have it out for Fleury and hammer him every chance they get like he was a rival star player or something.

Older poster here. I was in Junior High when Nilsson, Plett, Chouinard, MacMillan, Lever and the rest came over from Atlanta. Don't count me in on your generalizations, though. I have been a fan of Theo and his feisty, gung-ho style ever since the 1st time he was called up from Salt Lake. He had that "bring you out of your seat" quality right from the beginning.

[TX_Flame]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I put that in there just to crack myself up and see if anyone would notice.

I am serious about Iggy, Kipper, Theo, and MacInnis though.

Thank goodness for that. I thought you'd totally lost it!

[TX_Flame]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Anyone that thinks that Theo shouldn't have his number retired never saw him play. The only thing that I can't forgive Sutter for is that he wouldn't allow Fleury to play on the fourth line during his comeback attempt/swan song.

He actually had a pretty decent camp that year. I had him pegged as at least a 3rd liner and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.

[Yrebmi]

While unlikely Kipper could conceivably still come out of retirement.
I think you need to give it a few years before putting it in the rafters.
Might be a fun ceremony to have in the new arena

[TX_Flame]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I've said it before, but 12 and 14 are already retired. Doesn't matter what you call the ceremony when a banner is actually raised to the rafters, but nobody will ever wear either number again.

The complaints about the "Forever a Flame" thing vs. "retirement" is nothing more than arguing semantics.

The only thing that bugs me about all this is that I wish they would convert Lanny and Vernon's banners to match.

It's more than semantics. If you doubt it check out the goon who was wearing FAF Nieuwendyk's #25 last year.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by TX_Flame

It's more than semantics. If you doubt it check out the goon who was wearing FAF Nieuwendyk's #25 last year.

25 isn't retired. Nor should it be.

14 and 12 are. Neither will ever be worn again. The semantical argument is only about what you call the eventual banner ceremony.

[TX_Flame]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

It seems like I'm the only one who likes having two methods of honoring a player. .

Not sure if Vernon should have been retired, but at least 12 should be retired next to 9, and 34 is more deserving than 30.

Having Newie, Vernon, Mac, Connie & Regehr as forever a flame honorees would be fitting in my book.

I wouldn't mind 2 methods of honouring a player, but that's not what the Flames are doing now. Nobody gets their number retired any more. It's just all FAF now. Retirement for legends (HOF caliber players) and FAF for beloved fan faves who didn't quite get to that level would be fine with me.

[TX_Flame]

Originally Posted by tfi racing

This retiring of numbers thing is just getting silly.There are a handful of legends league wide that merit it,but as more and more numbers are retired,the more meaningless it becomes.Sorry Kipper and Iggy fans, but I don't think I'm the only one out there that thinks that at least winning the Stanley Cup for your team should be one of the prerequisites for number retirement...

Great! Let's ahead and retire Murzyn's #5, then!

Really, in today's NHL there are plenty of amazing players who will never win a Cup (Iggy?) and other not so amazing ones who do.

[TX_Flame]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I like it. It's cool to have two separate methods of honoring Flames.

That being said, Iggy is 19th ALL-TIME on the goals list, and may catch Sakic for 15. Easily would have been 12th/13th if not for 2 lockouts. And his prime years were in the famous dead puck era. Also, he brought more than just goals to the table in his career. He is a legend of hockey, no doubt and should have his number retired. If KK decides to do the lesser forever a flame, well he will instantly be fired by ownership I think.

But for a guy like Regehr, I think Forever a Flame is very fitting, but he shouldn't have his number retired.

It's not 2 separate methods. One has replaced the other.

[TX_Flame]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I think you are a little off base man. There is nothing weird about honoring past players and greats. I think its excellent how some of the oldest clubs in the league honor the greats of old. Did you think it was too much to have "4" painted on the ice all year long, as well as having the players have a black 4 on their sweaters and helmets in Montreal? I thought it was extremely classy.

Some players don't quite merit having their number retired. What is wrong with honoring them in another way?

As far as particular players go, my opinion is Kipper is borderline retirement/forever a flame. Iggy is clear cut retire the number caliber.

Not a great comparison. Number 4 is retired in Montreal. They didn't hit "le gros Bill" with a cheesy "Forever a Hab" non-retirement.

[TX_Flame]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

10 & 14 should be retired & nothing less.

Who is 10? Clement?

[TX_Flame]

Originally Posted by getbak

No one has worn #2 since MacInnis retired. No one has worn #9 or #30 since Lanny and Vernon retired. No one has worn #14 since Theo. No one has worn #12 or #34 since Iggy and Kipper.


Call it what you will. Put up whatever banner you want. Until someone wears one of those numbers again as a member of the Calgary Flames, they're effectively retired.

How about 25?

[TX_Flame]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

25 isn't retired. Nor should it be.

14 and 12 are. Neither will ever be worn again. The semantical argument is only about what you call the eventual banner ceremony.

Nieuwendyk is a HOF. Vernon is not. How should 25 not be retired?

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by TX_Flame

It's not 2 separate methods. One has replaced the other.

Then I would agree with the rest of the posters here. It's stupid.

If Iggy doesn't get retired and it's only a "forever a flame", then that would simply be a travesty.