CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by starseed

Hello all! I wanted to join in from the start, but I was away from home for much of May, and only got back now from a quick trip to Calgary.

I will admit that Legoman was hovering around 4-7th on my suspicion list, but I guess his inactivity was legit. I skimmed over much of the content and only followed along while in transit, so I will read up on the thread again, then form my list tonight.

Death to the hosts!

Death to the hosts? Sounds like something a host would say!

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I know that if he was scum there would be little to no advantage on not voting for me. I do dind it extremely intersting though that once again HG is leading the charge against someone he is sure is a host. How has that turned out so far? What I see is that HG was out full guns for me even after I made an argument about you possibly being scum. Then when he couldn't get the votes to stick on me he went right after mrkazj. I want to know what has indicated that mrkazj is scum? I can't find anything really. I think he is trying to steer us into another passenger lynch. My stance on him has not changed so I will vote accordingly.I think he is the strong player on the scum team and they are using him to steer the votes while the others are mid pack to low posters.

Vote:Hockeyguy15

What I find odd is I have layed out my reasons for being suspicious of both you and Mrkajz, but when I asked you to lay out your case against me you flat out refused.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nobody asked for a big post on you, they already have seen it themselves. I am not going to go make huge posts on everyone just for the sake of making huge posts. Others have already comented on the same things I have with you. Oh, and as an off game note, have a great camping trip!

All you keep saying is I am driving the bus. I didn't drive the bus against activeStick, I drove the bus against Girly, and I didn't vote ECF. You were right there with me against Girly, yet you keep bushing the blame on me.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Sorry I have not been that active, I have been working a lot. I am doing some research in the thread of a few suspects and will post more in a bit.

Then you say you are doing some research on a few suspects, say you have no idea what to make of PE or Peanut and then you are back fixated on me. Then you say when I go full out on someone it doesn't work out, but yet all I see is you have been going for me all game and have voted for me 2 of 3 votes without really giving hard evidence on me.

I really haven't been on you today, I've been looking at other people because there are 3 hosts to find.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Vote: Starseed

I saw this play out last time to the mafia's benefit.

I feel there's an added responsibility playing with a team, added pressure to keep active than there would be as just a townie. Lego Man may have real world commitments (obviously) but based on some of his longer posts he's been keeping up and actively looking for host...or we're lead to believe.

If he was having someone ghost write his posts, it may explain why XXX slipped through the cracks as they collaborated in the host thread.

Regardless of the switch, I've made my suspicion for Lego Man known before.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

I guess it's up to you to decide why I made that change, but I think I was clear why I chose not to vote for girly on day 2.

Using the same logic, what made you lay off of me for days 2 and 3? I don't recall you giving a reason at any point and you were pretty hard out after me on day 1. Day 2 I can understand as the focus was on the spore, but you still held off of me until today. What made you less convinced I was scum yesterday but more suspicious today?

Could you reference the post where you explain your day two stance on girly? I didnt see it when i went through.

I thought i posted that i would lay off you for a while at the start of day 2 but it appears i did not. The reason im back on you now is that i did a reread of the first three days to see how they look knowing Seb, oling, pux, active, girly and ecf were town to varying degrees of certainty.

In that reread you and devices come up scummy.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So far my biggest suspect is HG15. He seems to be trying to put attention on others or anything but himself. Kind of reminds me of last game and we saw how that turned out.
Also Timbo, I am not being meek, I am still feeling this one out.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Still suspicious of HG, just seems to me he is trying to put attention elsewhere. SebC's weird posts are concerning too. Not sure where to place my vote yet.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok, so like I said before, HG15 seems most suspect to me. He is participating in the game yet trying to steer attention anywhere but himself. The facts are it is early so it is super hard to get a read on anything. Oling played a brilliant game last time yet turned out to be scum but something tells me he is on the straight and narrow this time, gut feeling. SebC's posts are strange but maybe that is just the way he plays. Same with squiggs, coming out early with his vanilla comment but what to make of it? It is basically a crapshoot at this point and we still have time to figure out the voting which is why I have not voted yet. If I did it would be HG15 right now unless something changes. Or do we vote for someone not participating and lurking? Anyhow, if I was scum I would not be calling attention to myself and I would rather we not waste votes on me and hurt the passengers early on when it would be in my best interest to try and sniff out one of the bad guys.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You know from playing before that if you sat in the background and did nothing it would be really suspicious given the past way you played the game. You should also know that at this point it is a crapshoot and my track record early in these games tends to suck. Take what you will from that.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This is an easy vote for me, I should have stuck with my original instincts. Puxlut has the same suspicions, HG is directing the game and I believe he is a host for sure. I am also suspicious of Timbo. Notice both are after me because they know I am an experienced player and therefore a threat to the scum. Go back and look at the way HG has manipulated the votes and play. Hell, he even got me caught up in it in the last vote when he assured us all GS was a host. He also has to say "since I know I am town" constantly to try and get that to stick in everyone's head.

Vote:Hockeyguy15

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No I am not, I am pointing out the obvious here. I want us to succeed in weeding out the scum and for me that points to who is controlling the game here. I am a passenger, if I am not let me forever be known on CP as a lying dirty Canuck fan!

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Not at all, I can't be on here 24/7 but I am on here when I can be. We have lost two passengers and look who has been driving the boat. I may be wrong on you being a host but it is too dangerous to take that chance given how you played and won last time. I will go with my initial instincts this time.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I have done nothing at all except sniff you out at the beginning of the game. Yes, you have no one to blame, you led a bunch of posters down the path to lynching two passengers. Yes, I put the blame on you because it fits and you have been steering the ship. I have asked questions, theorized on posters, tried to work to the benefit of the passengers. You obviously cannot claim the same so you throw these smoke screen posts out. Not buying it.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Go ahead and vote me out, when I flip town the spotlight will go on Timbo and Hockeyguy15. I have spent some time re-reading posts. The other guy on my radar is GGG, something is definitely wrong with the way he is posting this game. Hockeyguy15 has been steering the ship and I think he is scum but there is a small chance I am wrong. Timbo on the other hand is definitely scum, I have zero doubt. So on that note.

Unvote
Vote:Timbo

Go ahead and kill me, if it gets the passengers on the right track and leads to some scum kills and the passengers survive I still win. Have at it.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Why would I change my vote to Timbo from you if my sole objective was to stay in the game? The votes were on you just as much as myself and leading the charge against you imo would be easier as you have steered the group into lynching two passengers. I changed my vote because I am more convinced Timbo is scum than you. That does not mean I have changed my mind on you, just trying to help direct the passengers in the right direction so that if I end up lynched they will know where to focus. As a host the smart play on my end would have been to keep the focus on you, not Timbo.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Because I misunderstood one thing? The only thing that looks bad is for Timbo and yourself after I posted what I did. You two have been thick as thieves through the whole game. Don't try and direct the attention elsewhere. The bottom line is you have steered the ship to two passenger lynches and Timbo in one way or another has gone after every strong player but you. So he may have known Oling did not turn when he handed him the spore, that just confirms my posts that he was frustrated or upset about it even if it was in a later post. One of you is the Captain, the other is his lackey. By the way that voting and play has gone I would guess bizaro is the other. I put two giant pages of thoughts and evidence and your reply is that? You realize how bad that looks right?

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So I made some mistakes, I have been busy and I am just human. Still beats driving the boat toward two passenger lynches right?

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am glad to see that others are on the same page as me here. HG has certainly been steering the game and I have already made my case for Timbo. I am fine with voting either one.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Except you would not be dumb enough to draw the scum card twice and play the exact same way. I have to admit that Timbo and bizaro have thrown me for a bit of a loop with their unvotes. One could still be scum taking the attention of themselves by doing so but I highly doubt both would take off their votes if they both were. So odds are I am wrong on at least one, possibly both. I think you are scum HG but I don't think you are the Captain, too risky to be steering the ship the way you have been. I think the Captain is probably more of a lurker, he or she posts here and there but keeps to the background. I think the other host is probably the same, possibly an inexperienced player. I think the scum strategy at the beginning was to keep two active but more or less lying in the weeds and to send the strongest most experienced player to start leading the herd in the direction the scum want. A person who can talk there way out of accusations and who has gone deep in the game before. I am still really leary of Timbo, the trail still has me leaning toward scum and I think he might have unvoted to cause confusion. I have no idea about bizaro now. It is still really tough at this stage to get a good read on him or most for that matter. The only consistency to my thoughts and theories is you. I have to place my vote in what I think is best for the town. If you are lynched and flip town I made a mistake but is a lesser one than the others because whether you are scum which I believe you are, or passenger you have pushed us to two passenger lynches thus far and focusing all your efforts on a 3rd.

Unvote
Vote:Hockeyguy15

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You are right in the fact that if HG15 is also town that hurts the town big time. My problem is he has voted in favour of lynching two passengers, he is absolutely focused on leading the charge against me and I know I am town, and when I led the charge against Timbo and posted why I believed he was scum it did nothing to consider Timbo at all, he just kept at me. Something does not seem right to me there.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok, so I have looked at some of ECF's posts, I am not convinced he is scum. I am not sure he is town either but at this point I am not changing my vote to him given what I have read on here. I really have a hard time trusting HG15 at this point and I have stated my reasons.
If I am wrong and he is town then by voting him out we lose a pretty big asset. However, if I am right and he is a host we will eliminate perhaps the biggest threat on the scum side. I am waivering here a bit, I'll admit. It is a tough lynch. Convince me HG15 is town if you believe he is.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I know that if he was scum there would be little to no advantage on not voting for me. I do dind it extremely intersting though that once again HG is leading the charge against someone he is sure is a host. How has that turned out so far? What I see is that HG was out full guns for me even after I made an argument about you possibly being scum. Then when he couldn't get the votes to stick on me he went right after mrkazj. I want to know what has indicated that mrkazj is scum? I can't find anything really. I think he is trying to steer us into another passenger lynch. My stance on him has not changed so I will vote accordingly.I think he is the strong player on the scum team and they are using him to steer the votes while the others are mid pack to low posters.

Vote:Hockeyguy15

These are all of your posts listing your reasons for thinking I am scum. From what I can tell all you've ever said is I am directing attention everywhere and that I'm driving bus. Those are literally the only things you say about me.

You say it doesn't work out when I focus on one person, and yet here we are with you focused on me seemingly all the time.

You blame me for leading us to passenger lynches, yet on post 435 you write off the activeStick lynch like it isn't a big deal.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nothing, except it is still a crapshoot. We took a shot and missed, it happens a lot in this game. Activestick should have defended himself and role revealed or at least put up an argument, he let his fellow passengers down. Back to the drawing board

We are 0 for 1 when I went along with the lynch on day 1.
We are 0 for 1 when I was vocal on the lynch on day 2.
We are 0 for 1 when I did not go along with the group on day 3.

You blame me for driving the bus constantly, yet 2 of the 3 lynches were not because I drove everyone there.

Either you're town and you are playing a lazy game, or you're a host and you have nothing so you keep repeating the same thing. If you are town and you really do think I am scum, put in some effort and actually show people why you think I am scum instead of just saying I am driving the bus all the time.

[Peanut]

I don't like the sub in for Lego (sorry starseed, you know I love you). If Lego was town, why wouldn't he just have continued to participate as he was available. Maybe the demands of being scum were too much for his time and he felt obligated to get a sub now that some people are casting suspicion his way. The sub-in feels scummy to me. Also I'm surprised that Lego didn't mention it in the thread at all before leaving. I was originally more suspicious of PE, but this sub in has swung me over to the Lego-as-scum side.

Vote: Starseed

[squiggs96]

So I go on multiple crusades to go after Lego and get zero support. Zero. Starseed subs in and now you m-effers want to lynch him. Ouch.

[starseed]

Going in, I did not have a strong feeling, but guessed Dissent and Peanut were hosts. Later I felt that Peanut was feeling much less scummy ... but not dissent. I was also starting to be curious about GGG's lead, but cannot remember why.

I was also really starting to look at HG, especially because he seemed to be playing like Oling did during the last game. However, the biggest stone in his pile was the post someone else made about how HG did not run with the XXX mistake in Lego Man's post. I thought it was likely that HG and Lego were working together as hosts. Now I am thinking that he is just very active as he has been in most games. In fact, iirc, he was a little quieter in CPM3 while Oling did much of the legwork.

Also, I put dissent on my shortlist of highest likelihood to be a host, and HG seems to be aggressively going after him.

Another thought that I had before coming in was that I feel that it is likely that one of Oling or Seb has been turned, as someone suggested. I do not see a scenario where it is advantageous for a passenger to withhold the fact that they received a spore.

I never really thought much of Party Elephant either as town or scum, but looking back at Lego's posts, he made a good observation:

Party Elephant - mentions a scum plan in post 548... a scum bluff? Then... post 768:
vote: hockeyguy15
This vote has me questioning the direction of the group as a whole. I think we've been manipulated too easily into this very specific strategy of voting on a potential spore holder that hinges entirely on taking one poster at his word. I've already laid out how us lynching girly and investigating oling could have us come up empty handed while also losing track of the spore, as if we're even sure where it was in the first place. With the way hockeyguy is forcing the vote on girly, I have to think he's steering he group in the wrong direction.

I think Party took this opportunity to plant the seed of doubt on HG, knowing neither HG and Girly are scum, while keeping his hands clean during the lynch.

I think tomorrow I will look into the Lego v Squiggs exchange to gather thoughts, but it was one of the exchanges that I skimmed over. I will also look more into the devo and mrKaj cases later.

So far the list is:

Dissent
party elephant

unvote

I would vote Dissent, but Lego seemed to disagree with me, and I have started to see his point of view on party elephant. I'll just take more time to catch up before voting.

[mrkajz44]

I went back to the start of Day 4, just to see how the day opened up. I think there is some increased value with those posts as there is no real discussion going yet for what happened on the prior day, so those posts are the ones that get everything going. Here's how it went down and my thoughts:

1) Pux gets angry - nothing special here as I believe Pux to be town with no anomaly counterclaim
2) Squiggs jumps in and says we should look at vote movement and then speculates on the spore - agree that the votes should be looked at, but the immediate spore talk makes me think Squiggs wanted the talk to actually start on the spore, and not the votes. Smells like misdirection
3) Diss re-iterates his stance that he thought ECF was town - I think we all knew this, so why re-state it so clearly? Just seems like he wanted to yell to everyone "I didn't want to vote out town! See?!"
4) Devo then posts the vote analysis and the true discussions start.

I guess the Diss talk jumps out to me a bit. I know before I defended Diss on what I thought was just an emotional post on Day 1, and maybe this is the same thing here. However, it just seems like he was trying too hard to remind everyone that he was on the side of a townie. It rubs me the wrong way for sure.

[mrkajz44]

As for the starseed development, I'm interested to hear a few more of his thoughts. He is the best we have of an outsider view, that hasn't really been tainted by the actions and emotions of each day, even if he has been following along. I think the first vote by him will be quite telling in terms of seeing how Lego's prior actions line up with Starseed's reasoning and vote.

[starseed]

You treacherous wench!

[starseed]

That was supposed to have a Peanut quote.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

So I go on multiple crusades to go after Lego and get zero support. Zero. Starseed subs in and now you m-effers want to lynch him. Ouch.

I think saying you got no support probably a bit overstated, you got no votes, but Lego has always been on my list, but never a top suspect. I suspect that's true for others. I will quote some of my "suspicious of Lego posts" below. The common theme is I think he's suspicious but there's someone else I think is more suspicous. Which is probably not a bad place for him to be if he's scum.

I think starseed subbing in for him is just one more confirmation that he could be scum who doesn't have enough time to play effectively as scum, and keep up with the scum thread as well. As previously mentioned, the time difference could have made it harder for them to coordinate. I'm not going to switch my vote from party to starseed just yet, but I'm definitely considering it.

One final thought, if starseed has taken over a mafia position, he's dangerous. I remember how he played in the parker/barrow double mafia game, and he was deadly as a mafia member.

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Sorry, I was saying if Lego flips scum, then I would see ECF as a good potential follow up lynch. My direct suspicions are on Lego. As I mentioned earlier, my current top 3 were Diss/Timbo/Lego.

That being said, diss's big post and the stuff that came after it lowers the chances he is scum. I'm still not hugely on board with his change in posting style.

Originally Posted by bizaro86

So, I put some more thought into how scum would play this. (I was only scum once, and I was out early). A big list is a great way to distance yourself from your fellow scum if someone flips without actually calling attention to them. Obviously you'd want to pick some small detail about a townie to accuse them. The trick for your fellow scum would be to put them in the "sort of suspicious but not too much" category. That way you're not likely to start a vote train but can use the list to distance yourself if they flip. From Lego's list here (too long to quote) I would say his comment about East Coast Flame fits this theory. He calls him out in a non-specific way but doesn't include him in his list of scum at the bottom.

I'm not certain that Lego is scum (although he's on my list of possibles as I mentioned earlier) but if he is scum I'd consider lynching ECF next.

I do think it makes sense that would be a hard play as scum, but Lego has been taking a whole real time day to make those posts. So he'd have time, and could get help from the scum thread. Doesn't seem like a bad strategy, and the low post count makes it hard others to pick apart what he's said.

Originally Posted by bizaro86

This seems like a pretty good catch to me. Since we know scum were likely on each vote and we have some borderline confirmed townies (at least during day 1 for Seb) we can start doing process of elimination. Mrkajz is the vote leader right now, and his lack of definitiveness in posting does seem like a scummy behaviour. Lego and Party are also low post counts with some inconsistencies, however. Lego had the terrible "I think she's town voting anyway" comment, and Party Elephant who went after Girly day 1 but not day 2, which makes no sense unless he had some sort of undisclosed motive.

All three have some questionable behaviour, and almost certainly one of them is scum and is trying to hide with a low post count. However, I am concerned that we're latching on to one player and not "running people up the flagpole" enough. We got lots of good vote trains with patterns and unvotes to analyze yesterday, I think it would be good to run a few people up today. And since one of these three is most probably scum, I think they make sense initially.

vote: party elephant

I would be willing to vote any of these if we get close to the deadline and its looking like no lynch (possible if the thread stays this quiet).

Originally Posted by bizaro86

It would take a lot to be "sure" someone was scum. Lego does have the XXX, which combined with his posts being big lists with a bit about everybody makes it seem more likely than average that he is scum, especially considering the low post count. I think lists are a way to write a substantive seeming post without taking a strong position or making enemies, which make them a good strategy to stay under the radar.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

I went back to the start of Day 4, just to see how the day opened up. I think there is some increased value with those posts as there is no real discussion going yet for what happened on the prior day, so those posts are the ones that get everything going. Here's how it went down and my thoughts:

1) Pux gets angry - nothing special here as I believe Pux to be town with no anomaly counterclaim
2) Squiggs jumps in and says we should look at vote movement and then speculates on the spore - agree that the votes should be looked at, but the immediate spore talk makes me think Squiggs wanted the talk to actually start on the spore, and not the votes. Smells like misdirection
3) Diss re-iterates his stance that he thought ECF was town - I think we all knew this, so why re-state it so clearly? Just seems like he wanted to yell to everyone "I didn't want to vote out town! See?!"
4) Devo then posts the vote analysis and the true discussions start.

I guess the Diss talk jumps out to me a bit. I know before I defended Diss on what I thought was just an emotional post on Day 1, and maybe this is the same thing here. However, it just seems like he was trying too hard to remind everyone that he was on the side of a townie. It rubs me the wrong way for sure.

This is your post that has solidified my view that you are indeed a host.

You were in danger of being lynched in Day 3 and the votes magically came off of you. I think that is a huge deal. In Day 3 you tried making the argument that the votes against you were so well executed that they seemed planned. All of a sudden the votes come off of you , ECF gets lynched and that's just some coincidence that you don't want to talk about. We all know that ECF was town. I went to bat for ECF and stated I thought he was town. I'm now stating I think you are a host mrkajz. I was right with ECF, and I bet I am right on you as well.

I am very willing to talk about the spore. Why wouldn't you want to talk about it? The hosts win when they and the turned are more than 50% of the remaining people. We win when we kill the three hosts. Why would you want to ignore one of the key pieces in the game? Assuming Pux is indeed the Anomaly, there is a chance we can see where it was sent in Night 3 on Day 5. If the Captain sent the spore to someone that is not turned, this passenger will find out on Night 4. They can then send it to Pux. Hopefully there is a claim by a passenger that they sent the spore to Pux. If there is a counter claim to this it will likely be by one person. That means that between the claim and the counter claim, one of these people is a host. Once Pux survives Day 5, she will be able to send it to someone on Night 5. This will validate that it was sent to her.

If Pux does not receive the spore on Night 4, it likely means that person who received it on Night 3 has been turned, and thus their win condition has changed. The Government Agent will be able to investigate someone and if they guess right, will be able to kill them if the person is turned. This helps the town. I wanted to bring up the spore discussion because it's a key part of the game. If I was a host, and I sent the spore to Oling on Night 0, I'm sending it right back to him once it is returned to me. If this is true, and it helps the Agent, then this is good for the town. If we can kill a turned, then our chances of winning increase. If we can lynch a host during the day and kill a turned at night, that is a major coup. If someone has a better idea on where the spore has gone, I recommend we all talk about it. It is not distracting to the game; it is part of the game. This isn't misdirection on my part. This is me thinking the spore is something we should discuss. If you have an opposing view, I welcome the discussion.

Why are my views discounted and you say the true discussions start once devo posts the vote count? Why aren't my discussions true? I gave a huge post on the votes. I also wanted to talk about the spore. We can have talks on both, not just one.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I think saying you got no support probably a bit overstated, you got no votes, but Lego has always been on my list, but never a top suspect. I suspect that's true for others. I will quote some of my "suspicious of Lego posts" below. The common theme is I think he's suspicious but there's someone else I think is more suspicous. Which is probably not a bad place for him to be if he's scum.

I disagree that I overstated it. Votes are support. If you didn't vote for Lego, then you didn't support my crusade. I understand it's a game, so I'm not angry. I'm just perplexed by people voting for him now that he switched out, rather than when I was openly campaigning for it. Instead of joining the Lego vote, three townies were voted instead. There are always people that are going to be suspicious, but until you vote for someone, you haven't supported the lynch against them.

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I think starseed subbing in for him is just one more confirmation that he could be scum who doesn't have enough time to play effectively as scum, and keep up with the scum thread as well. As previously mentioned, the time difference could have made it harder for them to coordinate. I'm not going to switch my vote from party to starseed just yet, but I'm definitely considering it.

One final thought, if starseed has taken over a mafia position, he's dangerous. I remember how he played in the parker/barrow double mafia game, and he was deadly as a mafia member.

Reading the above quote in context with ECF (a dead townie) stating he didn't trust bizaro, it really reads like a post from a host. If bizaro is a host, this is a perfect opportunity to try and cast doubt on a new player to take any suspicion away from himself.

[starseed]

Thoughts as I go through:

I get a bad feeling from posters who point out their innocence in not voting out passengers much moreso than the posters who have voted out the passengers. It is much better mafia strategy to vote elsewhere to mask a bad voting record. The scum know a passenger will flip as a passenger, so they will be content to jump on (or casually point out) those who voted out known passengers.

Later in the game it is different, but the first few rounds I am more wary of the posters who jumped out immediately with the 'see! I was right in not voting for them!' or the posters who are potentially laying the groundwork early on:

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=1256
Timbo:

I think I will stay where I am I never had EFC on my radar and I personally don't feel positive about this lynch.
Thanks for telling me how to play GGG maybe you can do me a favour and make me a list on how to play it would sure help.

(for some reason quotes are not working for me either in firefox or tapatalk)

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=1265
Dissent:

I was pretty sure ECF was not scum, thus why I refused to vote for him. I have some ideas but I am on duty until midnight here, so 10pm Calgary time. I will post an in depth post then.

or maybe setting up the next target knowing a passenger flip is coming for ECF?

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=1241
Squiggs:

I really hope ECF is scum if the votes stay on him. If not, mrk did an excellent job getting neutral votes to ECF and votes off of him to ECF

Also noted that Timbo and Devo have been kinda playing the game of latching onto Puxlut as the known townie for her help to lead us... which reminds me of a certain scum poster in CPM2...

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I disagree that I overstated it. Votes are support. If you didn't vote for Lego, then you didn't support my crusade. I understand it's a game, so I'm not angry. I'm just perplexed by people voting for him now that he switched out, rather than when I was openly campaigning for it. Instead of joining the Lego vote, three townies were voted instead. There are always people that are going to be suspicious, but until you vote for someone, you haven't supported the lynch against them.

Reading the above quote in context with ECF (a dead townie) stating he didn't trust bizaro, it really reads like a post from a host. If bizaro is a host, this is a perfect opportunity to try and cast doubt on a new player to take any suspicion away from himself.

The reason he's getting votes now is that something has changed, and that something makes him more suspicious.

Honest question: Does lego switching out for starseed make you more or less likely to think that player is scum?

As for the second paragraph, by that logic anything I or the other people ECF/active/girly called out or voted for is casting doubt on someone else to move suspicion. I'm going to keep hunting scum until the end of the game or I'm lynched, I'm not pulling back just because a dead townie is mistaken about me.

Honestly, it seems weird to me that you were pushing a lego vote pretty hard, but now that he's switched out and there is actual momentum for your idea you're pushing back.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

The reason he's getting votes now is that something has changed, and that something makes him more suspicious.

Honest question: Does lego switching out for starseed make you more or less likely to think that player is scum?

As for the second paragraph, by that logic anything I or the other people ECF/active/girly called out or voted for is casting doubt on someone else to move suspicion. I'm going to keep hunting scum until the end of the game or I'm lynched, I'm not pulling back just because a dead townie is mistaken about me.

Honestly, it seems weird to me that you were pushing a lego vote pretty hard, but now that he's switched out and there is actual momentum for your idea you're pushing back.

Lego switching out for starseed does change things. Lego posted so infrequently. starseed posts walls of texts. We are seeing this already. People gave Lego credit for his posts, but I didn't see any value in them. Starseed is very convincing, so much so that he can convince people that someone that just unearthed two scums, and pointed to the third, that they must be voted out. If starseed gets me lynched at any point in this game again I will forever hold a grudge, unless he is a host, and then he's just doing his job.

I was definitely pushing the Lego vote hard, but at this point I'd rather go after mrkajz. Since there are already two votes on starseed, I don't want to be seen as the follower, unless there is good evidence. The thing that leads me to be suspicious is that once I pause/abandon a plan, then others suddenly think it's a good idea.

[starseed]

At this point, I think the best course is testing the Party Elephant and mrkaj link. A PE passenger flip does not let mrkaj off the hook (or vice versa if we lynch mrkaj), but I think it gives me more info at this point. I still feel like Diss is scum, but then I guess I always think that for some reason in these games. Diss's behaviour is more likely to be bad town than Party Elephant's voting patterns and shifts in focus are likely to be coming from a townie.

So (dis)honourable mentions to Dissent, Timbo (because it is tradition to have him on my list(plus other previously mentioned posts)), and Mrkaj, but:

Vote: Party Elephant

[starseed]

Squiggs, Lego made some good observations in those large posts! Also, I sincerely apologize for last game!

and Biz, I was the first scum to be voted out in that game :P