CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well that is my belief. We all have our theories. You seem to be pretty agitated here.

Not at all. I'm questioning your logic which doesn't make sense to me.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So I made some mistakes, I have been busy and I am just human. Still beats driving the boat toward two passenger lynches right?

Odd mistakes for a strong player to make, regardless how busy they are. You would think a strong player would know the rules?

We all can't sit in the background and keep our hands clean.

[devo22]

the thing that still confuses me most is the fact that dissentowners mistake is the only part of his walls of text that got any attention. Timbo didn't respond to dissentowners attack at all, it was basically just a "meh, unvote." That's a ... let's say "interesting" response to such a lengthy attack.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Odd mistakes for a strong player to make, regardless how busy they are. You would think a strong player would know the rules?

We all can't sit in the background and keep our hands clean.

Dude, you know damn well the rules are different each time. It was a an easy miss as I skimmed over what the game entailed as I was working a bunch.

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by devo22

the thing that still confuses me most is the fact that dissentowners mistake is the only part of his walls of text that got any attention. Timbo didn't respond to dissentowners attack at all, it was basically just a "meh, unvote." That's a ... let's say "interesting" response to such a lengthy attack.

There was no substance nor logic.
It's a classic case of faulty interpretation due to extreme bias.
I also felt that there is no way 3 scum collaborated to make that mess.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Dude, you know damn well the rules are different each time. It was a an easy miss as I skimmed over what the game entailed as I was working a bunch.

Wouldn't reading the rules be something you did when you had time though?

How are you supposed to judge if someone is a host or not if you don't know how the game is being played?

[Peanut]

I'm only 18 weeks so definitely not in early labour!! I'm around. I'm surprised at how aggressive the game is actually. It's a lot more of posters attacking each other and defensive replies than I was expecting. I guess I wasn't sure what I was expecting, really. Anyways, it is slightly intimidating in here, especially seeing stuff like what's happening now - Diss is getting torn apart for minor rules mistakes. I'm trying to be a good player but you guys jump all over small errors, so one way to avoid that is read along and really think things through, but low post counts are also suspect.

Anyways. I am intrigued by Diss's Timbo summary. I didn't pick up on the "is it really that big of a deal if we lose the smuggler?" post. I interpret the smuggler as a pretty big loss. Not only was he town, but one of the special powers. And first person out too. That sucks.

The two immediate unvotes by Timbo and Oling are super weird to me as well. Oling also unvoted Girly at the last minute after campaigning for her all day, which was weird.

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by Timbo

There was no substance nor logic.
It's a classic case of faulty interpretation due to extreme bias.
I also felt that there is no way 3 scum collaborated to make that mess.

To add to this I did leave a caveat work "For Now"
I believe now dissentowner is under more scrutiny and more eyes will be looking at his gameplay. If he turtles and tries to fly under the radar now he is signing his own death warrant.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Here's what I find weird. I get called out for laying low by the two players with the lowest post count in the game that are still alive. Even Mazrim has posted more than Lego. I agree people should call people out if they aren't contributing. Since I did it to Lego at the start of this day his post count has gone from 8 to 15. The more people are talking the easier it is to gain information.

To clarify, I don't equate laying low specifically with low post count. I mean laying low in that those posters aren't making waves or directing the flow of the game like some of the stronger posters I listed (Timbo, Oling, HG, etc). I think it's possible to have a high post count but still be pretty neutral and not attract attention. Actually, that seems like a pretty good scum strategy now that I think about it. Post a lot so you don't draw attention for not contributing. But don't make any waves or direct the game too much - also avoids scrutiny.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Timbo

If he turtles and tries to fly under the radar now he is signing his own death warrant.

Come on Timbo, no mention of turtles while Puxlut is still alive.

Did someone say TURTLE!!!???

[Peanut]

Vote: Timbo

I think, while I was typing my thoughts out loud to Squiggs, I landed on my number one scum suspect at the moment. Timbo has been quite active but also, imo, fairly non-combative and not making a lot of waves or really leading the group while maintaining his activity levels. It seems purposeful to me. I also noticed that he voted for ActiveStick, GirlySports, and was voting for Dissentowner, who was leading the vote count for today, until he removed his vote. And he removed his vote even after Diss had a fairly in depth argument against him. I'm thinking he doesn't want to implicated in the third lynch in a row, hence he removed his vote for Dissentowner. And the comment about the smuggler not being that important I just can't imagine any townie actually believing. But perhaps it did quietly influence people not to move their votes off of ActiveStick.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

So you worded something to Mazrim in a role neutral way. Why? He obviously knows everyone's roles and alignments. When whatever confirmation you were looking for came back, you would still not be allowed to quote it, so you could phrase it however you wanted. I'm puzzled as to what you asked, why you asked it that way, and where you were going with it. I know you're the cryptic post guy, but it seems odd to go about it in this way. The biggest thing I don't get is saying that you posted a question to Mazrim instead of just waiting for the answer and then posting the whole story.

I thought my PM to Mazrim might prompt him to make a public reply in this thread. I wanted to pre-empt that so that if he did post something that opened up the possibility of big town win today, I would have proof that I had prompted that.

I also thought that if Mazrim made a public post, that my wording might influence his. I did not want that. This, to me, is simply sportsmanship. I want to win the game, not break it.

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Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Seb, did you think of some stuff to share with us? You got a little side tracked with Timbo yesterday after you posted this.

I'm intending to re-visit the entire thread (have not gone back to the start since Puxlut's reveal, I might see things in new light), as well as the previous mafia games. Working on it. I'm a slow reader, so I might not get that far.

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I wouldn't mind seeing two votes on a variety players. Myself, Oling, and Puxlut would be enough to assure a lynch. I'd prefer a town that will be online Friday not so we can have a longer shortlist though. (Heh.)

[SebC]

Nooooooooooooooooo! I made my line of = too long and I can't fix it!

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Peanut

I'm thinking he doesn't want to *be* implicated in the third lynch in a row, hence he removed his vote for Dissentowner, *the current leading candidate. He could just be waiting to put his vote on the second or third place lynch candidate, which would be more innocuous. Fits with the strategy of lots of activity while being fairly neutral.*

Missed a word and added some more thoughts.

[mrkajz44]

I'm feeling better about my vote for HG now that I've seen the events of today. HG has pushed people to talk more so he can stop steering the ship. Diss obliges with a couple of long, thought-out posts and HG is right there to jump all over him for one mistake in one of his posts.

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

You realize how bad this looks, right?

As Oling points out, Diss' mistake actually makes him look more town, but HG plows on, continuing referring to Diss as a "strong player" and then bashing his rules mistake

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

It looks bad because for someone who keeps calling himself a strong player, you conveniently have a lot of questions how the game works and now you have 'missed' the rule that states hosts will always know who is infected. Not only that, you try and say you 'assumed they would because don't they get to send them a message or something?'

Those 2 rules are pretty much right after one another in the write up, so I'm not sure how a strong player can miss one and not the other?

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Like making a 'mistake' and forgetting the rules of the game a couple times?

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Odd mistakes for a strong player to make, regardless how busy they are. You would think a strong player would know the rules?

We all can't sit in the background and keep our hands clean.

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Wouldn't reading the rules be something you did when you had time though?

How are you supposed to judge if someone is a host or not if you don't know how the game is being played?

Really, I don't see this as anything but pushing all the focus on Diss, trying to convince others to join his side and vote him out. HG continues to lead the way, scum leading the town around under the guise of "active hunter".

[squiggs96]

HG is playing very similar to how Oling did in Super Smash. He's the top poster, in terms of count, and he comes at you with a wave of force. I remember in Smash Oling would comment on what screen I was looking at (I had my setting on open), how long it took to reply, I used the term "contrived deceit", etc.

In this game HG went after my logic when I saw the math didn't add up for how many players were in the game. After I shared my thinking he continued to harp on it until he finally votes for me. He pointed out which people didn't thank Maz's post, prompting Maz to interject that we shouldn't be judged on whether we thanked a post or not. When I made the same mistake in post #595 (not knowing the hosts know all turned players at all times) that Diss made today, it was calmly pointed out to me by HG and devo. It's interesting to see the difference with diss having 4 votes at the time.

I found it odd on Day 1 where HG voted for me, possibly to get a reaction out of me, and when he switched his vote, it was to the guy I had voted for. He even quoted me when he voted for me because he didn't like why I voted for activeStick. If he didn't like the reason I voted for active, why switch it to him? Since that happened I felt like I was being set up. Maybe he was waiting until I got some votes on me and then he'd try and convince others. Maybe it was a coincidence, but I thought it was odd.

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

HG is playing very similar to how Oling did in Super Smash. He's the top poster, in terms of count, and he comes at you with a wave of force. I remember in Smash Oling would comment on what screen I was looking at (I had my setting on open), how long it took to reply, I used the term "contrived deceit", etc.

In this game HG went after my logic when I saw the math didn't add up for how many players were in the game. After I shared my thinking he continued to harp on it until he finally votes for me. He pointed out which people didn't thank Maz's post, prompting Maz to interject that we shouldn't be judged on whether we thanked a post or not. When I made the same mistake in post #595 (not knowing the hosts know all turned players at all times) that Diss made today, it was calmly pointed out to me by HG and devo. It's interesting to see the difference with diss having 4 votes at the time.

I found it odd on Day 1 where HG voted for me, possibly to get a reaction out of me, and when he switched his vote, it was to the guy I had voted for. He even quoted me when he voted for me because he didn't like why I voted for activeStick. If he didn't like the reason I voted for active, why switch it to him? Since that happened I felt like I was being set up. Maybe he was waiting until I got some votes on me and then he'd try and convince others. Maybe it was a coincidence, but I thought it was odd.

This made me think of the "XXX" mistake made by Lego. HG seems to latch on to some mistakes and really attacks, but others are let go. Diss is blasted for his error, but Lego just gets a free pass. It really seems like he has an agenda.

Totally agree that I see him mirroring Oling's play in Smash - starts to get on someone's case for something that isn't major and won't let up. He can say its just him being aggressive to hunt scum, but the selective aggression doesn't seem to add up.

[dissentowner]

I am glad to see that others are on the same page as me here. HG has certainly been steering the game and I have already made my case for Timbo. I am fine with voting either one.