CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Making lists with everyone on them is tough when you are scum because you already know who everyone is. You have to manufacture ways to make scum look innocent, and town look guilty. It's much easier to do flyby posts that don't have a lot of content and opinion to them.

So, I put some more thought into how scum would play this. (I was only scum once, and I was out early). A big list is a great way to distance yourself from your fellow scum if someone flips without actually calling attention to them. Obviously you'd want to pick some small detail about a townie to accuse them. The trick for your fellow scum would be to put them in the "sort of suspicious but not too much" category. That way you're not likely to start a vote train but can use the list to distance yourself if they flip. From Lego's list here (too long to quote) I would say his comment about East Coast Flame fits this theory. He calls him out in a non-specific way but doesn't include him in his list of scum at the bottom.

I'm not certain that Lego is scum (although he's on my list of possibles as I mentioned earlier) but if he is scum I'd consider lynching ECF next.

I do think it makes sense that would be a hard play as scum, but Lego has been taking a whole real time day to make those posts. So he'd have time, and could get help from the scum thread. Doesn't seem like a bad strategy, and the low post count makes it hard others to pick apart what he's said.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Interesting, I hadn't thought of that. You do the "list of everyone" tactic once in awhile (which I find less suspicious because you also post comments directly about individuals). Were you still able to do it effectively the game you were scum?

I don't believe I did full lists last game. I think picked a few people and give my 'reasoning' for it, it was easier to keep track of what you were saying and gave them less to call you on later.

[East Coast Flame]

I'm trying to think of how the scum would play this. You would have to think that the scum are trying to play 3 different styles of games. Having an aggressive leader trying to drive conversation, probably not the captain. Having someone involved but not really contributing, likely where the captain would hide out and maybe someone just going with the flow.

Looking at who I have at the top of my scummy list:

-agressive driver: Timbo? GGG?
-involved, not really contributing: Mrkajz or Lego
-floating by: Peanut or Party

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

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The selective aggression does add up, it's simply if I think you are scum I will be more aggressive with you and if I think you're town I'll do the opposite.

But to me, this does not add up. When people make slip-ups or mistakes, you should be equally critical of everyone. That would be the most effective way of hunting, no? It just feels like you are waiting for someone on your "list" to mess up and then you pounce on the opportunity. To me it would make more sense to play an equal style to everyone, where a blunder by someone that might be generally thought of as town is the perfect opportunity to put a little pressure on them and see if your feelings on them might change.

Right now, you are just pushing on specific people, and that is why I see you as leading the town along, following an agenda you already have.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

But to me, this does not add up. When people make slip-ups or mistakes, you should be equally critical of everyone. That would be the most effective way of hunting, no? It just feels like you are waiting for someone on your "list" to mess up and then you pounce on the opportunity. To me it would make more sense to play an equal style to everyone, where a blunder by someone that might be generally thought of as town is the perfect opportunity to put a little pressure on them and see if your feelings on them might change.

Right now, you are just pushing on specific people, and that is why I see you as leading the town along, following an agenda you already have.

So if Puxlut or Seb slip up I should press the issue even though they are pretty much confirmed town? That doesn't make any sense.

If I was to be aggressive with everyone rather than just the people I have a hunch are hosts then I would be creating even more noise and distracting from the people I believe to be hosts.

[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

But to me, this does not add up. When people make slip-ups or mistakes, you should be equally critical of everyone. That would be the most effective way of hunting, no? It just feels like you are waiting for someone on your "list" to mess up and then you pounce on the opportunity. To me it would make more sense to play an equal style to everyone, where a blunder by someone that might be generally thought of as town is the perfect opportunity to put a little pressure on them and see if your feelings on them might change.

Right now, you are just pushing on specific people, and that is why I see you as leading the town along, following an agenda you already have.

I'll have to agree with my top target on this one.

At the moment I think everyone is getting bogged down and trying to trap someone in a slip up. It feels like we've spent the last couple (real time) days just pouring over what look like simple mistakes. Frankly going 5+ pages about dissent not understanding the rules 100% is silly.

Take a step back and look at the bigger picture, because right now we aren't getting anywhere and I bet the scum are sitting there having a laugh at how we are latching onto nothing and driving ourselves into a tizzy because of it.

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

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I'm not certain that Lego is scum (although he's on my list of possibles as I mentioned earlier) but if he is scum I'd consider lynching ECF next.

I do think it makes sense that would be a hard play as scum, but Lego has been taking a whole real time day to make those posts. So he'd have time, and could get help from the scum thread. Doesn't seem like a bad strategy, and the low post count makes it hard others to pick apart what he's said.

If you have a feeling Lego might be scum, then why would you recommend ECF? Wouldn't a vote against Lego make more sense? Not sure I see the logic here.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

If you have a feeling Lego might be scum, then why would you recommend ECF? Wouldn't a vote against Lego make more sense? Not sure I see the logic here.

Sorry, I was saying if Lego flips scum, then I would see ECF as a good potential follow up lynch. My direct suspicions are on Lego. As I mentioned earlier, my current top 3 were Diss/Timbo/Lego.

That being said, diss's big post and the stuff that came after it lowers the chances he is scum. I'm still not hugely on board with his change in posting style.

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[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I'm not sure why you and squiggs want to say I am playing like Oling, I am not Oling and the way he plays in previous games doesn't apply to me. If you recall I have played like this in past games as well, so if you really want to judge me on previous play maybe you should use my play as a base point, not the way someone else played.

I said you are playing like Oling did last game because you are. I didn't follow any of the previous games, so I don't know how you were then. I'm only basing my observation on what I've witnessed. I realize you are not the same person, but I feel you are playing a similar style. If you play similar to someone, and I can see a pattern, then it does apply to you.

I'm still voting for Lego, and I hope some others hop on board this, yourself included.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I said you are playing like Oling did last game because you are. I didn't follow any of the previous games, so I don't know how you were then. I'm only basing my observation on what I've witnessed. I realize you are not the same person, but I feel you are playing a similar style. If you play similar to someone, and I can see a pattern, then it does apply to you.

I'm still voting for Lego, and I hope some others hop on board this, yourself included.

So then base my play off the way I played last game and use that to see a pattern.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

So then base my play off the way I played last game and use that to see a pattern.

Except you would not be dumb enough to draw the scum card twice and play the exact same way. I have to admit that Timbo and bizaro have thrown me for a bit of a loop with their unvotes. One could still be scum taking the attention of themselves by doing so but I highly doubt both would take off their votes if they both were. So odds are I am wrong on at least one, possibly both. I think you are scum HG but I don't think you are the Captain, too risky to be steering the ship the way you have been. I think the Captain is probably more of a lurker, he or she posts here and there but keeps to the background. I think the other host is probably the same, possibly an inexperienced player. I think the scum strategy at the beginning was to keep two active but more or less lying in the weeds and to send the strongest most experienced player to start leading the herd in the direction the scum want. A person who can talk there way out of accusations and who has gone deep in the game before. I am still really leary of Timbo, the trail still has me leaning toward scum and I think he might have unvoted to cause confusion. I have no idea about bizaro now. It is still really tough at this stage to get a good read on him or most for that matter. The only consistency to my thoughts and theories is you. I have to place my vote in what I think is best for the town. If you are lynched and flip town I made a mistake but is a lesser one than the others because whether you are scum which I believe you are, or passenger you have pushed us to two passenger lynches thus far and focusing all your efforts on a 3rd.

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[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Except you would not be dumb enough to draw the scum card twice and play the exact same way. I have to admit that Timbo and bizaro have thrown me for a bit of a loop with their unvotes. One could still be scum taking the attention of themselves by doing so but I highly doubt both would take off their votes if they both were. So odds are I am wrong on at least one, possibly both. I think you are scum HG but I don't think you are the Captain, too risky to be steering the ship the way you have been. I think the Captain is probably more of a lurker, he or she posts here and there but keeps to the background. I think the other host is probably the same, possibly an inexperienced player. I think the scum strategy at the beginning was to keep two active but more or less lying in the weeds and to send the strongest most experienced player to start leading the herd in the direction the scum want. A person who can talk there way out of accusations and who has gone deep in the game before. I am still really leary of Timbo, the trail still has me leaning toward scum and I think he might have unvoted to cause confusion. I have no idea about bizaro now. It is still really tough at this stage to get a good read on him or most for that matter. The only consistency to my thoughts and theories is you. I have to place my vote in what I think is best for the town. If you are lynched and flip town I made a mistake but is a lesser one than the others because whether you are scum which I believe you are, or passenger you have pushed us to two passenger lynches thus far and focusing all your efforts on a 3rd.

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Vote:Hockeyguy15

All you keep saying about me is I've been a part of lynching both people so far.

Where is your big post about me like you did with Timbo? If I'm a scum mastermind there has to be more than just being a part of both lynches.

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Just a heads up, I am camping starting about 11 on Friday so I won't be around for the deadline. If you're going to lynch me can you do it a little earlier so I will be here for a death post?

I hope that can be arranged.

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Vote: Hockeyguy15

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

All you keep saying about me is I've been a part of lynching both people so far.

Where is your big post about me like you did with Timbo? If I'm a scum mastermind there has to be more than just being a part of both lynches.

Nobody asked for a big post on you, they already have seen it themselves. I am not going to go make huge posts on everyone just for the sake of making huge posts. Others have already comented on the same things I have with you. Oh, and as an off game note, have a great camping trip!

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If you are lynched and flip town I made a mistake but is a lesser one than the others because whether you are scum which I believe you are, or passenger you have pushed us to two passenger lynches thus far and focusing all your efforts on a 3rd.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Activestick should have defended himself and role revealed or at least put up an argument, he let his fellow passengers down.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I see zero logic in not voting for GirlySports

I'm wary of Hockeyguy15 for jumping on your mistake, that is something we loved to do last game afterall. However, it's not like you were defending either ActiveStick or GirlySports this game.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nobody asked for a big post on you, they already have seen it themselves. I am not going to go make huge posts on everyone just for the sake of making huge posts. Others have already comented on the same things I have with you. Oh, and as an off game note, have a great camping trip!

I'm asking for your big post on me. If I am scum there will be more pointing to that than just your reasoning of me being a part of both lynches.

Pretty much the only thing you have commented on was me leading the charge on both lynches. The lynch against activeStick I wasn't even that vocal on it, so it makes me think you are trying to manufacture your argument against me.

[Oling_Roachinen]

And to clarify, like I have said, I believe you are town Dissentowner.

What I'm saying is that I think you're now looking at faults for hockeyguy15 while ignoring that you didn't seem to object to his assessments until you decided to go after him. You may be right, but right now there's been no scum revealed and only town, everyone could be accused of going after town.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Unvote

Vote: activeStick

Let's see what turning up the heat does. He posts lots of questions but not much else.

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

As far as I can tell this is activeStick's reaction to having the votes against him. Most people will give an excuse for their inactivity, he doesn't even really address his inactivity.

This reads to me like a very general comment to not really stand out, but to kind of deflect the attention. Followed up with more general questions to up the posting numbers.

It's almost like he saw he had 2 votes and thought "if people see my name a couple times maybe they will unvote me."

Also when have any games been ruined for the town? The town lost the last game and that was it, and I don't think the game was lost because of 'crazy analysis' from the town.

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Also what's the deal activeStick, you ask if the smuggler should reveal themselves and then leave? Could you maybe hang out and chat for a bit?

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I want to know why activeStick drops the comment he does and then leaves. It makes no sense.

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

If activeStick can't be here to back up his role claim then I'll sleep in the bed I made. You can't make a comment like that and then leave for the night.

Here is me leading the charge on the activeStick vote.

[Oling_Roachinen]

How do you think the Host would react to the GirlySports lynch - assuming you trust I gave her the spore?

Would they jump on quick like East Coast Flame, happy to get rid of a passenger without really getting the blame for the blood on their hands?

Or would they hesitate, maybe even try to shift the focus elsewhere, in the hopes of keeping the spore in place and not getting their hands dirty lynching a passenger?

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I have to place my vote in what I think is best for the town. If you are lynched and flip town I made a mistake but is a lesser one than the others because whether you are scum which I believe you are, or passenger you have pushed us to two passenger lynches thus far and focusing all your efforts on a 3rd.

There are a couple of things I don't like here. HG didn't lead the charge on activeStick. If anything, I'll take the blame for that one. I don't agree that if HG flips town it's a simple mistake and less than the lynching the first two townies. If HG flips town, then we have just lost the guy doing the most work. Not every lynch goes the way you want it to. Many townies get lost every game, especially early. If you are successful in leading the charge, and HG is lynched, that's a huge mistake.

It will also be a doubley big mistake if you are town. If you are town, and vote out a strong town, then you become the prime suspect for day 4. The hosts know this, so they will be willing to help support your attack, and then pounce on you the next day. If you are both town, this will suck. If one of you is a host, this is perfect. If HG flips scum, you have my unwavering support until the end. You and I worked well together last game once we stopped fighting with each other.

I am not willing to put my vote on either HG or diss at this time. I really want to see some heat put on Peanut and/or Lego.