[News] Mike Richards on waivers - CLEARS

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by UKflames

Didn't Richards get traded away from Philly? I am not sure I can see them welcoming him back but stranger things have happened.

I would be very surprised if Philly wanted him back, there was a reason he and Carter were shipped out together.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Thor

lol! Oh man would be awesome if it was really Moon.

I don't think it is. Moon had a certain way of posting and it didn't typically include insulting others or talking in that manner. He was more one of those guys that formed an opinion to which he was steadfast and would never stray regardless of how bad or disproven the opinion was.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't think it is. Moon had a certain way of posting and it didn't typically include insulting others or talking in that manner. He was more one of those guys that formed an opinion to which he was steadfast and would never stray regardless of how bad or disproven the opinion was.

Yeah I agree, I just thought it was a funny coincidence.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I would be very surprised if Philly wanted him back, there was a reason he and Carter were shipped out together.

The management that traded Richards has been kicked upstairs and hextall was in LA when they traded for him.

MacDonald has a toxic contract as well and isn't fitting in. Richards might bring fire back to the flyers lineup.

[Vinny01]

Listened to Duha on the Fan and He confirmed there was talks but also is saying those talks are dead. The Kings don't want to give up what the Flames asked for and will likely keep Richards in the minors this year and next.

I have been thinking about this and I agree with those that say just steer clear. I was guilty on thinking he could find his game again and be a useful player in addition to the Flames getting an extra first or good young player. But Richards is like Setoguchi, like Heatley. He is done and that contract could cause issue when trying to keep our best players or add to that group via trade/free agency

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

The management that traded Richards has been kicked upstairs and hextall was in LA when they traded for him.

MacDonald has a toxic contract as well and isn't fitting in. Richards might bring fire back to the flyers lineup.

My understanding, from someone one in the organization, is that it wasn't Richards hockey that got him traded.

Feel free to PM me, but I won't elaborate further on a public forum incase his situation has changed.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I was all for grabbing Richards for the benefit of grabbing Toffoli or a 1st, but maybe the better reward is watching LA suffer. And all 28 other teams are wanting them to suffer too.

[GioforPM]

The problem for Lombardi is that he has to come out of this with something more than cap space, if for nothing more than PR for the fans. So he has to have some sort of a second deal where he's picked up a decent defence rental for the run using some of the cap space.

Otherwise he's traded Richards plus something good like a first or Toffoli and gotten crap back. Try explaining to the average fan "we were in cap trouble so this is really getting decent value back".

[Vinny01]

^^ which is why if he goes that route the Eichards trade likely will be revisited this summer. Perhaps a three team deal at the deadline with Richards being moved so LA can add a bigger salary? Doubtful though I think Richards is stuck in the Kings org until the summer at minimum

[YYC in LAX]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

My understanding, from someone one in the organization, is that it wasn't Richards hockey that got him traded.



Feel free to PM me, but I won't elaborate further on a public forum incase his situation has changed.

It's public information. Richards and Carter refused to sign a non-party agreement of sorts which Laviolette (and maybe others) instituted. Led to dressing room issues amongst coaches and players.

He was an all star when he was traded. I don't think his personal life affected his play.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Listened to Duha on the Fan and He confirmed there was talks but also is saying those talks are dead. The Kings don't want to give up what the Flames asked for and will likely keep Richards in the minors this year and next.

Given the Flames cap situation I feel Treeliving was doing his due diligence in trying to acquire young assets in return for taking that contract off their hands. A good GM should always be looking to pounce on a team that finds itself in a difficult situation but the only way a deal like this could ever be considered sound for the Flames is if they fleeced the Kings as anything else would have been akin to giving the defending Stanley Cup champions another bullet in the chamber. I'm very glad to hear that his demands were high to the point that the Kings wouldn't accept as that's the only way it would make sense for the Flames.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

My understanding, from someone one in the organization, is that it wasn't Richards hockey that got him traded.

Feel free to PM me, but I won't elaborate further on a public forum incase his situation has changed.

It's no secret that Richard's and Carter's liked to party. It was widely reported that they refused to take part in the 'dry island' instituted by Laviolette and stop drinking for periods of time. It's also been reported they didn't get along with Pronger.

If it's a specific incident or goes beyond their reported affinity for the party lifestyle, I suppose that should remain private. But all you need to do is put Carter, Richards and party into google to get 100 hits including news sources.

[OzSome]

I just hope the Flames should stay away from Mike Richards. He is not as good or as fast as he used to. He is still under contract for a very long time. I would rather that the Flames lets the Monahan, Jooris, Colborne and other young guys to develop more. The only way I think the Flames should go for it is if LA Kings will sweeten the pot and add some good young roster player and also if they are willing to take some of our bad contracts.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

tossing this offer out there what do you guys think

To Calgary: Richards (Kings eat $1.8M per season), Toffoli
To LA: Backlund, Engellend (Flames eat 900K in salary)

Flames get Richards at $3.9M, Kings get Engellend at $2M

Doesn't get done i don't think unless you add a Hanowski.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Doesn't get done i don't think unless you add a Hanowski.

Did I miss a meme? It's funny anyway.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Did I miss a meme? It's funny anyway.

No meme. Just me thinking LA would want a Hanowski. Who wouldn't for that matter.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The only way LA wouldn't match on Toffoli would be if the offer was so high that it made the compensation a worthwhile consolation prize.

Or if they couldn't afford to match the contract and stay under the cap. Lombardi must be sweating on this situation.

Toffoli must be LA's best young asset. I'd love to see how he looks on Monahan's wing. Were they linemates on the '67s?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Or if they couldn't afford to match the contract and stay under the cap. Lombardi must be sweating on this situation.

Toffoli must be LA's best young asset. I'd love to see how he looks on Monahan's wing. Were they linemates on the '67s?

They can go over the cap in summer. All they would do is trade someone else and match the offer sheet.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

They can go over the cap in summer. All they would do is trade someone else and match the offer sheet.

But then they still have Richards and have had to trade someone making (and presumably earning) a significant amount. And if someone makes an offer sheet on another RFA?

Lombardi is in a really tight spot.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by handgroen

i keep refreshing this page incessantly, but the truth of it, is that the longer this goes on w/o news of a trade the stronger the flames bargaining position becomes.

i would just absolutely love to check CP at lunch on friday and read that LA got completely soaked in a trade with the flames.

for me the goal shouldn't be toffoli or pearson or really any of their prospects.

i would like to see it be richards no salary retained to CGY with no 'bad' contracts sent back to LA. (i don't see any of our contracts as having negative value)
as for the compensation for the flames, picks only please.

TO CGY
Richards+2015 1st+2015 2nd
To LA
2015 4th

to me richards is worth about half what he makes let's say 2.5Mil
so really the flames absorb 2.75Mil for 4 seasons and part of this one.
Let's say 12Mil in over-payment on that crappy contract.
The question then becomes, how much are LA's picks worth?
also ownership would be spending to the cap right now if they thought it would provide some advantage, so there is money being saved these last couple and next couple years that would have otherwise been spent anyways.

12mil for a 1st and 2nd next year?

too much? not enough?

Wow that is MacT awful, a 20th or higher pick and a 50th or higher pick for an awful contract that puts you in cap hell in a year and half when you have to sign Giordano, Gaudreau, Monahan and hopefully add some others who can contribute to your team. And you burn 4 percent of your cap space minimum on a bad contract during years where this team will be a cap team (last two years of Richards contract minimum).