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1)Why didn't the mafia kill Dissentowner during Night 6. Timbo said there was a cop out there, he incorrectly thought I was the cop but to the mafia that meant that the only unrevealed player would have to be the cop. At the time the players who hadn't said/proven their abilities were Aeneas, Girlysports and Dissentowner.
They killed Wood. Wood had said to target Aeneas, Girlysports and Dissentowner. He even said Puxlut should use her kill on one of them. Yes, they could have killed him because he was 2/3 correct but leaving in the cop would have been more risky as he gets to prove his claim and could have knowledge on the 3rd and 4th member of the team that Wood didn't have.
Diss staying alive only makes sense if they knew he wasn't the cop. How did they know?
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I think you are too focused on Diss and overlooking other scenerio's and even other posts Wood made.
Wood did have this comment at the end of Day 6 and one of his lasts posts:
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Originally Posted by Wood
Seriously, if you have a night kill pick one of girly, diss, Aeneas or squiggs. The other possible mafia will be Oling HG or Timbo. But the first 4 are the likely ones
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He did provide 7 suspect names with 4 strong ones. Two we know for sure were scum, one was town. Everyone else is still alive. The only person who isn't on that last list of Wood's before his death as being scum is myself.
Being that obviously someone else or perhaps two in that list is scum otherwise we wouldn't be standing here, Wood probably was closest to picking them out.
At that time, Wood was a confirmed townie by essentially everyone. You have a confirmed townie, which none of us would have even thought of lynching pointing in the direction of 2 of the scum (let's work in absolutes here, not unknowns) and the town is going to follow and believe him. Wood was also confirming GGG (who we were about to find out was indeed unlynchable) as another townie and had was against GirlySports and Aeneas. GGG's single vote on Day 4 was GirlySports, his vote Day 5 was Aeneas. He was pointing the same way Wood was. Do you let those people live to lead the town to take out two of your own? Do you let them both survive another day to take a shot at an unknown who may or may not be the cop and if they were the cop, they obviously had no information on them at that time or they would have come out? At the time, Wood was a threat to the mafia because we as the town would believe him and he just pointed out two of the scum.
Day 5 was a non-lynch day, Rathji skipped Night 5 and we went into Day 6 which was also a non-lynch. For the scum, that was a bad stretch for them in getting us to lynch our own and now you have Wood and GGG pointing out two of them. It could have been either or that night because they were confirmed townies over an unknown who could have been the cop or could have nothing. And the cop wasn't talking, so Diss if he were the cop didn't pose a bigger threat then GGG or Wood.
In my mind, there was also the matter of Diss previously playing a cop role in the last game and between actually being one and having the same role last game, was Mazrim really going to just give him that again? Yes, it was random but I'm sure there is some thought into not repeating roles and in Diss' case, giving him something painfully obvious. I believe Wood and GGG said something similar as well. There was doubt You also had Diss making comments like this on Day 6, not really convincing he was the Cop:
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
That is a valid argument. I guess the cop should decide if revealing what he knows will help the town.
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Wood echo'ed this a couple posts later. Obviously he wasn't in disagreement with it:
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Originally Posted by Wood
The cop should only reveal if they want to. If they reveal Timbo can confirm it's them. Timbo shouldn't reveal on his own
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We can even factor in GGG who started casting doubt there was a cop. Who says the scum didn't start believing the same thing:
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Originally Posted by GGG
Do we want to have the should the cop reveal conversation today. You all know my opinion on it. But we are down to
Diss
Aeneas
Girly
None of who I really believe is the cop. I think the cop should reveal if they can clear any living Townies including Wood, Starseed, Puxlut, etc. This is the last I will mention of it.
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
I can't agree with that. The cop should come forward if he has at minimum 2 scum on his reveals. The cop coming out and saying I can confirm so and so is town but everyone else I looked at is dead would screw the town royally when they night kill him.
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Does it make sense why Diss would openly defend all of his buddies? Surely this could come back to bite him later. Those three don't reveal the powers and all protecting each other that openly? That's too obvious. Diss has played this game twice before, I doubt he does this.
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Originally Posted by GGG
With the amount of powers in this game to help us out and the people we have left I do not believe we had a cop. The only piece of evidence that points to a cop is Timbo and his bucket.
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In that case, it almost asks the question why Timbo wouldn't have been killed during the night instead of Wood. Timbo hadn't owned up to making the error about knowing the cop until Day 7, after Wood was killed. Scum could have believed he was the cop and killed him. They didn't.
Actually, being Girly backs this is kinda odd:
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Originally Posted by GirlySports
If the cop reveals and you don't believe it and if timbo confirms or reveals the cop first and you don't believe it you're not going to believe anything.
We have to pick one or the other. So for me whatever Timbo says about the cop I will believe.
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2)Why did Dissentowner have to explain the reasoning for Puxlut to die was that I saw who he target? I get my investigation at the end of the night/beginning of day. Timbo (and hockeyguy15) confirmed this. But honestly, that's just how the game operates. So what's with that weird excuse? Pressured that he was caught killing Puxlut and had to come up with an excuse to why she died that involved me? I think so.
I'm not seeing where what he's saying isn't plausible.
Diss made it known he had the crystals and shoes. YOU said that I was the townie that was pretty much dead during the night so why would Diss go and hand me crystals or shoes to help the town going into the next day when it looked like I was going to be the dead townie the next morning? I'm not seeing weird excuses. I'm seeing pretty sound reasoning. Me dead over Pux makes more sense. I have the spreadsheets, I have the long quoted posts, I have the analyzing things. Pux posted turtle sex (which I'm pretty sure even she would admit this and has in past several times. Hence calling Starseed her thinker). Diss giving Pux the crystals was the right choice in my mind. His explanation doesn't seem weird to me at all.
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Yes, I went to Puxlut last night and handed her the chaos emeralds so she would have two votes instead of one. I thought one of Drury or HG15 would have been killed last night and the absolute person we knew was town was Puxlut. I had to be sure a townie got the extra vote and with her timidness in playing the game I thought the scum would kill one of the more outspoken players.
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Is puxlut allowed to make a dead post and confirm I gave her the Chaos Emeralds? Not sure if that is against the rules or not. Why do you keep saying we can't win? If it is tied 3-3 it is my understanding there is a sudden death. Timbo, if you are not scum I challenge you to vote Oling for this lynch. I don't think you will. Oling's only claim to being town is to keep saying Timbo can confirm it which makes me very suspicious of Timbo.
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I think this is a misuse on your part to use your powers the most effective way. As a watcher, you cannot see what action is being done, only who visited. I think your better move to catch a scum would have been to visit who you thought was the victim and see who visits. Perhaps that's just me growing up around too many real cops, but you don't chase the killer if you have a known target, you watch the target because the killer will ALWAYS come to them. You don't know if Diss is the only one to visit. If you watched Pux and saw only Diss, well then yea, that's pretty confirmed. You watched Diss, he went to Pux and he does have powers to give out. It's plausible.
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3)When Timbo and Hockeyguy15 voted for me, why did Diss say he thinks we have this in the bag? He had a vote on him, he thought that Timbo may have been my partner. Why didn't he consider a last minute swap. Why was it I the one who suggested the possibility and said for him to be certain he would need Drury18's vote? Especially now that it happened and saved me it's pretty comical. Like I said, and he did at the time, I think he knew I didn't have a partner.
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I am going to guess over confidence because I have the lynch overturn power and I have consistently said I thought he was town. I've had him on my list from the start, I specifically told him a few days ago that I thought he was town and I wanted him to turn down an invite because I felt so strongly he was town and I wanted him and I to stay out of the cults and hopefully at the end to win this thing for the town. I could see where he assumes I have his back because my words for the past few days point that way.
I think he was banking on the fact I was going to save his ass regardless because I've never said anything outside of trusting him. In a fight between you and him, looking at my past comments, the likelyhood of me backing him is stronger than backing you.
Few more things I'd like to toss in that puts doubt in my mind that Diss is scum. When we were all (me included) trying to string up GGG for the second time, Diss doesn't want to and votes GirlySports. That's BALLSY if he's scum.
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
I voted GS for obvious reasons, she has always been suspected and her posts seem scummy to me. Funny how I vote for her and then others try to tie us together. I am starting to get tired of some of the ridiculous kneejerk reactions to things. GGG said he could not be lynched, described his power, we tried, he wasn't lynched. We have hit exactly zero mafia so far...zero!!! So now we waste another lynch on a guy we already know probably can't be lynched?? We have to start getting scum guys. Leaving GGG until later is not going to lose us the game but trying to lynch him again if he can't be will hurt us hard.
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I also found this in the same Day's posts and wonder why HG15 wouldn't have been killed as he had the 2/3 scum list before Wood did:
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Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15
So I thought about it, and we should probably not lynch GGG for now. If he is scum I can't see it being fair that he is lynchproof. If we get another day kill (that works) then MAYBE (still not sure we should trust the invites) we should consider it. I think it's in our best interest to just leave GGG be for now and focus on the other likely suspects.
Probable scum
Aeneas/Squiggs - Quiet under the radar types, sometimes I forget they are here. I know Squiggs has given us a few excuses for being quiet, but it could be a smoke screen. Aeneas, I can honestly say I know even less about him than Squiggs.
Girlysports - Vocal but quick to be defensive. Has some questionable theories on trying to confuse the mafia, overall scummy vibe. Though I don't think
GGG is right about the cult invite, seems like more of a coincidence to me than a lynching point.
Diss - I'm honestly not sure about Diss, I don't really remember a lot about him. He went hard after Squiggs earlier and then kind of shut down after that. He also said he has 2 one shot night actions, but from what I can tell most of us have 1. Myself, Wood, Drury, and possibly Rathji all had 1 one shot ability. I'm not sure if having 2 means anything or not but it makes me wonder a bit.
I think we should focus on those 4 for now, I think there are probably at least 3 mafia in there. However, if I am wrong and there is less than 3 in there I think we need to look at GGG again.
All we need is that first hit and then we will be able to go back and dig up info. Hopefully I didn't butcher this post too much since I haven't had any coffee yet, if something doesn't make sense or looks wrong let me know and I can address it so it's more clear.
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This was Wood's post after that one:
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Originally Posted by Wood
I'm okay with voting any of GGG, aeneas, diss or girly. One is the cop though so it would be a big loss to out the cop during the day.
Mafia probably knows who it is anyways i guess
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So let's add HG15 to the "Why didn't the mafia kill him either for that list" list. He posted this before Wood. Wood agreed to it. GGG did as well as was confirmed town the same night. So there's 3 guys who could have been killed for pointing out too many scum.
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