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Old 10-21-2014, 01:30 PM   #3401
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Old 10-21-2014, 01:34 PM   #3402
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I'm okay with voting any of GGG, aeneas, diss or girly. One is the cop though so it would be a big loss to out the cop during the day.

Mafia probably knows who it is anyways i guess
I'm feeling that way as well now with Rathji revealed and Mrkajz44 dead.

If the cop still wants to remain hidden and Timbo won't reveal, I think this is the last day. Tomorrow Timbo needs to reveal the cop to confirm his claim assuming the cop doesn't die - which I think is unlikely at this point.
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Old 10-21-2014, 01:39 PM   #3403
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R athji,

Could you outline your belief on how my lynch proof power was acquired and if you believe i am investigation immune.

Right now it appears that you are voting fot the 1 shot lynch proof godfather option which i dont believe could exist.

If you are voting for me because i am a lynchproof mafia member then the cop can clear me whenever he or she comes out presuming we have one.

If you are voting for me because i got lynchproof from the guardians, used the mafia tracker to track ecf to report who he poisoned and i am the godfather and believe that i either guessed mazrim flavour or mazrim followed my wireframe post for flavour effectively helping me hide then that is a good reason to vote for me.

When you vote for me please pick which scenario you support or add your own.
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Old 10-21-2014, 01:42 PM   #3404
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Poorly worded.

If GGG is still lynchproof and it wasn't a one shot deal, I don't know if now is when we should risk it with a second lynch. If there are 3 mafia out of Squiggs, Aeneas, Girly, and Diss we could always circle back to him after we exhaust our options with them.
If he really was completely lynchproof, and not one-shot lynchproof, he is probably town (or Mazrim is a &^$%^, and I don't mind losing the game to that)

If we were not going to follow through on it, why did we lynch him in the first place?

I dont have time to do the math right now, but we are probably screwed either way.

If we lynch him and he is mafia, we have much easier choices for next lynches. Dissentower and to a lesser extent Aeneas.

If we lynch him and he is town (and lynchproof) , we have a small increase in our chance of being able to pick out mafia and one less day to do it. Plus we have an extra body that the mafia has to kill. We still have a couple good options.

If we don't lynch him, we have nothing extra to go on that we didn't have before today, plus later in the game we probably still need to figure out if he is really town and use a lynch on him. We need to be 100% sure on who to pick next, but without ANY confirmed mafia, we don't have any real connections that we can draw from, just assumptions.
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Old 10-21-2014, 01:47 PM   #3405
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R athji,

Could you outline your belief on how my lynch proof power was acquired and if you believe i am investigation immune.

Right now it appears that you are voting fot the 1 shot lynch proof godfather option which i dont believe could exist.

If you are voting for me because i am a lynchproof mafia member then the cop can clear me whenever he or she comes out presuming we have one.

If you are voting for me because i got lynchproof from the guardians, used the mafia tracker to track ecf to report who he poisoned and i am the godfather and believe that i either guessed mazrim flavour or mazrim followed my wireframe post for flavour effectively helping me hide then that is a good reason to vote for me.

When you vote for me please pick which scenario you support or add your own.
As per my previous post, there isnt a better option that gives us more information now.

People listing out a few names without any sort of posting history, connections and just randomly picking from the few options we have, doesn't give us more info than lynching you does.

If someone wants to do that, then feel free. Until that happens, I am convinced that it is our best choice.
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Old 10-21-2014, 02:04 PM   #3406
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We can try killing GGG again. If it fails we go to night and a townie dies. Day 7 and it will be 8 vs 4. We can trust GGG is town after a second attempt IMO, meaning there are only 4 mafia

At 8-4 we'll have a short list of girly, squiggs, Aeneas, Oling and Diss. One is the cop so with only 4 unknowns left we'll know who the mafia are essentially, and we'll have the time to kill them. It all comes down to what powers they may have

Does that all make sense? It'd be funny if Diss was the cop again, being a cop and all. If this is how the game works out he's very likely the cop, I doubt it's Aeneas or girly honestly

If GGG is mafia and his ability was only good for one lynch, he dies and we hope the cop loves. The numbers will be different
Rathji, i did the math kind of here. I think it'd be safe to vote GGG again

I didnt consider if one of Timbo or HG were mafia, it could 7-5 tomorrow. But i believe the odds would still be in our favor

This is if GGG is town. If hes mafia we get scum and we'll continue on from there
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Old 10-21-2014, 02:07 PM   #3407
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I got an invite from the guardians. I just quickly skimmed it, ill post a recap when im not on my phone. shouldnt be too long from now. It didnt say anything about not sharing with the town
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You know I keep going back through posts and despite what he has done and combined with what was in my message about Rathji posting in mafia topic which the more I think about it the more it seems to me like they meant the mafia discussion board the scum use. I am starting to become convinced that:
1: GGG is in fact lynchproof after last night and
2: Rathji is playing us like a fiddle and his power was a scum power.
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Old 10-21-2014, 02:19 PM   #3409
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Who else belongs to the Guardians?
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Old 10-21-2014, 02:20 PM   #3410
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I think all of the mafia suspects should vote today and include full backup of who they are voting for and why and who they think the remaining suspects are. Once one flips this becomes great information. Mine summary is as posted yesterday, and today's justification on my vote for Girly still stands.

Thats
GGG
Girly
Aeneas
Diss
Squiggs
Oling

Possibly
Timbo
Drury

The rest I have as pretty hard town.
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Old 10-21-2014, 02:25 PM   #3411
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Who else belongs to the Guardians?
Me, Starseed, Rathji,

Girly, Mr Kajz, Drury declined
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Old 10-21-2014, 02:29 PM   #3412
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You know I keep going back through posts and despite what he has done and combined with what was in my message about Rathji posting in mafia topic which the more I think about it the more it seems to me like they meant the mafia discussion board the scum use. I am starting to become convinced that:
1: GGG is in fact lynchproof after last night and
2: Rathji is playing us like a fiddle and his power was a scum power.
This is a scum post.

The scum have done the math and realized that with Rathji's power the frame job on me doesn't matter and we have enough chances to win. They are now trying to move the target onto townies on our established town list.

Maybe when we are at Lynch or lose we come back to Rathji. But today? This just reaks of scum desperation
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Old 10-21-2014, 02:36 PM   #3413
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The scum have done the math and realized that with Rathji's power the frame job on me doesn't matter and we have enough chances to win. They are now trying to move the target onto townies on our established town list.
I'm not sure about this math talk. We're relying on them not having any other tricks up their sleeve for any of it to check out, but they could have something like a poison. They could get Timbo in a 2-for-1 deal if he buckets the wrong person. We don't know their powers, we can't rely on this math.

And I declined the Guardians as well GGG.
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Old 10-21-2014, 02:37 PM   #3414
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You know I keep going back through posts and despite what he has done and combined with what was in my message about Rathji posting in mafia topic which the more I think about it the more it seems to me like they meant the mafia discussion board the scum use. I am starting to become convinced that:
1: GGG is in fact lynchproof after last night and
2: Rathji is playing us like a fiddle and his power was a scum power.
Skipping the night, where the mafia get to kill one of us is a scum power?
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This is a scum post.

The scum have done the math and realized that with Rathji's power the frame job on me doesn't matter and we have enough chances to win. They are now trying to move the target onto townies on our established town list.

Maybe when we are at Lynch or lose we come back to Rathji. But today? This just reaks of scum desperation
You think so. Then lynch me and when I flip town you will see I am absolutely right. Give me any proof Rathji is town. Saying he is a comfirmed townie is why we are losing this game.
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Old 10-21-2014, 03:01 PM   #3416
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Skipping the night, where the mafia get to kill one of us is a scum power?
Except the plan last night was if the lynch failed we would try GGG again. So by resetting the night it makes Rathji look town yet it has no penalty to the mafia really because we were just going to not get a lynch by trying GGG again and they would get a night kill plus they would make one of their own look like a comfirmed townie. That is if they believe GGG is unlynchable period.
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Old 10-21-2014, 03:05 PM   #3417
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I voted GS for obvious reasons, she has always been suspected and her posts seem scummy to me. Funny how I vote for her and then others try to tie us together. I am starting to get tired of some of the ridiculous kneejerk reactions to things. GGG said he could not be lynched, described his power, we tried, he wasn't lynched. We have hit exactly zero mafia so far...zero!!! So now we waste another lynch on a guy we already know probably can't be lynched?? We have to start getting scum guys. Leaving GGG until later is not going to lose us the game but trying to lynch him again if he can't be will hurt us hard.
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Old 10-21-2014, 03:10 PM   #3418
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Also this talk of comfirmed townies has to stop too. The only one that confirm townies is the cop. Many scum powers can also be seen as town powers and they would be smart to use them that way at times to add to the confusion. You don't think they are just going to sit by and do nothing do you? That was tried in previous mafia games and the town won every time. They are going to try and fool us by being a wolf in sheeps clothing. They might even have a few members help the townies out in the early stages to secure their members as being suspected of being town.
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Old 10-21-2014, 03:50 PM   #3419
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I'm leaning towards putting GGG on hold for today. I think the better bet is targeting Aeneas. I'm no where near ready to vote, though. Have to weigh the consequences of potentially having found the cop for the mafia.

I'll have more time tonight.
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