CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[Drury18]

Also as for Wood, he never placed a single vote on Diss and even had him as town on his lists.

Originally Posted by Wood

I keep going back and forth on GGG, I'm not sure what list I'd have him on right now

As for town, I have Dissentowner, Oling, puxlut and ECF at the top. If ECF survives the night though I think we need to kill him, he could be lying about the doctor role (highly doubtful)

For mafia, hmmhmmcamo/squiggs/Baxter are all in the same boat for me. I'm guessing at least 1 of them has to be mafia. After those 3 I've been mostly focused on Delgar and Girlysports. I'm going to lay off the gaurdians/eternals talk until day 3 when we hopefully know more, I think I might be building a case against girly in my head based on very little actual knowledge

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

I can see why Puxlut lost it on you.

You are manipulative. Do as I say or I will call you scum. Believe what I do or I will turn on you.

Do you perhaps understand where HG15 saving you at the last minute looks like a scum move? Changes the vote with a minute left off of you? Figures I'm not voting so you can hammer Diss?

When you popped up 5 minutes to go it was obvious what was going to happen. I don't care what it looks like from hockeyguy15, I have no say in what hockeyguy15 did and he saved me and gave me, a townie, a chance to win. I know 1 of you or Timbo are townie. Timbo wasn't hiding in the shadows waiting for a chance to strike.

Originally Posted by Drury18

Also as for Wood, he never placed a single vote on Diss and even had him as town on his lists.

Yeah, he only died right after saying that Puxlut should kill Aeneas, Girlysports or Dissentowner. What's the argument, that it wasn't Wood? The mafia came up with the super plan of faking a Twilight Wood and telling the town to kill Girlysports or Aeneas right before killing him? Come on now, come on.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Also as for Wood, he never placed a single vote on Diss and even had him as town on his lists.

Hey, who else does he have on that townie list?

You're quoting something from day 2. On Day 6 he wanted Girlysports, Aeneas and Dissentowner killed....

[Oling_Roachinen]

Let's pretend for 5 seconds I am mafia, and of course hockeyguy15 is my long-time mafia buddy and the plan was to change votes at the last second being all sneaky mafia like. It was a foolproof plan...except there's this:

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Yes, Timbo has to be town then. I think we got it in the bag guys.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Except Drury18 still needs to vote for me. If I'm mafia with a partner, I will vote for you and my buddy will be able to swap at 9:59 and we will win. Not even thinking that's a possibility there Diss? Just happy to have enough votes on me, eh?

Not exactly the greatest idea to blurt out your plan. I'm not a bond villain

Like I said, weird that Diss didn't consider that option.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Timbo

If we come to another tie can you annul one of the group of votes?
Could you have voted Oling as you did and stopped the diss lynch?

I sent a PM to Mazrim to ask this as I was unsure of the answer as well.

I cannot use my power in the event of a tie to annul a vote. My power only works after a hammer or deadline is reached and a single result is presented. There needs to be a single person for me to apply the power to, I cannot be presented two options and only select one. I'm not that powerful.

I could not have voted Oling and then used my power to stop the lynch and select who I wanted to use it on. I would have had to let HG15 hammer Diss and then use my powers to stop the lynch completely.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Not exactly the greatest idea to blurt out your plan. I'm not a bond villain

No, but does it perhaps make you understand why I held my vote?

You mention I should be up for an invite, I got one.

You put this out there, I figured perhaps you gave someone an idea. I held my vote to basically counter any last minute change and toss us into extra time. The person who switches the vote at the last minute becomes questionable to me. Quite frankly, I thought it would have been Timbo. HG15 was a bit of a shock.

[Drury18]

I was also hoping extra time gave us more time to go over things.

Today saw HG15 disappear most of the day due to a funeral. Timbo had to get his kid during the afternoon and was gone this evening. I was at my kid's school this morning and out playing hockey tonight. Diss sounds like he was working this evening. You also said you were working.

This is not the best decision making circumstances. I was hoping Mazrim would see most of us gone and give us an extension of time because it looked like a CF would break lose. HG and Diss voted early and left. It was 2-0 for you. Then Diss had the extra vote and you voted for him. 2-2. Timbo voted for you and it was already hammer I think before Noon. Everyone pretty much left after that point and it got quiet. This is not the way to be making a decision this late in the game.

My power will stop a lynch. My vote I hoped would buy us more time to talk this out. I could have saw the 3-2 vote on Diss and just overturned it. I voted in hopes to give more time.

[Drury18]

Now Oling, I've made this error once on GGG where I was so convinced he was scum, I was fighting with him on everything. I wasted alot of energy on him only to find out he was town and I should have focused elsewhere. This is not a mistake I want to make twice.

If you are willing to have a civilized discussion about points of view and we can cut this drama crap, we are going to go alot further then you calling me scum and me calling you scum. We have until 10pm tomorrow. That's alot of time to go through the thread, get information and discuss it.

Obviously, I'm not the only one hesitant here and I don't think I'm the only one feeling like we need more information to make an informed decision. Oling, even you said you weren't sure. Let's be sure here. We need to have a good discussion. We need to all be active in this. This lynch is important to the town, we can't be making this in a rush. Which is what happened. We had til Tuesday I think and we set it up to hammer at Noon. No need for it to be that quick we when have time to go through things and be damn sure about what we are doing.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

No, but does it perhaps make you understand why I held my vote?

Sure? I don't really care. Right now I know Diss is mafia, I know Hockeyguy15 is town and of course I know I am town. When it comes to me, you can no longer play your clearly town card because right now Hockeyguy15 is with the facts I know (others don't get that luxury, I understand).

Whichever one of you or Timbo is town, I'm speaking to them when I'm making the case for Diss. It is weird, again, to me that you brought up Wood not voting for Diss. How many votes did he have for me and hockeyguy15? Who was he saying to kill right before he died?

Originally Posted by Drury

You mention I should be up for an invite, I got one.

And the sun will come out tomorrow. Not exactly surprising that the person who is continually getting invites gets an invite. Especially since I said that at a time I had the invite and was more trying to tell you why I was accepting.

Originally Posted by Drury

You put this out there, I figured perhaps you gave someone an idea. I held my vote to basically counter any last minute change and toss us into extra time. The person who switches the vote at the last minute becomes questionable to me. Quite frankly, I thought it would have been Timbo. HG15 was a bit of a shock.

I saw the unvote for Diss and I thought it was Timbo then got confused with no avatar. I was just as shocked as you are.

But here's the thing, if I died today and showed mafia (wouldn't but let's explore options) who dies tonight? Who gets lynched tomorrow? Where's the extra vote coming from?

If I showed mafia, Timbo or you are dead. Almost certainly you in the scenario that I am mafia. Diss was saying that me and Timbo were working together. Who do you think he would have voted for tomorrow? Diss and hockeyguy15 (my partner if I am mafia) would have voted for Timbo. Why blow the game when you revealed yourself and our super sneaky plan that no one could have seen coming, except for the fake that I said it was coming, would have worked. I "knew" when you showed up 5 minutes before and didn't ask Timbo to unvote that I was done for.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

If you are willing to have a civilized discussion about points of view and we can cut this drama crap, we are going to go alot further then you calling me scum and me calling you scum. We have until 10pm tomorrow. That's alot of time to go through the thread, get information and discuss it.

This is easy for me. I don't know which one of you or Timbo are mafia. I will aim any discussion we have at why Diss is because that's all that matters. If I convince whichever one of you is town, great, but I wont have to make a case for either of you (unless things start connecting).

[Oling_Roachinen]

And of note, Starseed did say that he had narrowed it down to me/hockeyguy15 or timbo/dissentowner.

His logic for me and hockeyguy15 was that hockeguy15 confirmed my power, but he overlooked the fact that so did timbo. Wonder what the timbo/dissentowner connection was that he saw.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Whichever one of you or Timbo is town, I'm speaking to them when I'm making the case for Diss. It is weird, again, to me that you brought up Wood not voting for Diss. How many votes did he have for me and hockeyguy15? Who was he saying to kill right before he died?

None. Wood didn't vote for either of you. However, you do have a number of votes against you from a number of others who have died and flipped town.

This is how the dead town have voted for those still living:

Votes against Diss come from Starseed (Day 7), Rathji (Day 7), GGG (Day 7) and Puxlut (Day 9)

Votes against HG come from Starseed (Day 9)

Votes against Oling come from Starseed (Day 3, 7 and 8), Squiggs (Day 7 and 8), Delgar (Day 1), GGG (x2 on Day 7) and EastCoastFlame (Day 3) and Puxlut (Day 3, 7, 8 and 9)

Votes against Timbo come from Wood (Day 3), Starseed (Day 3 and kill attempt), Squiggs (Day 3), Rathji (Day 3), GGG (Day 3 and 8), mrkajz (Day 3), East Coast Flame (Day 3) and Puxlut (Day 3)

I have no votes against me

[Oling_Roachinen]

So preliminary questions that need to be asked (and I would argue answered) before we dwell deeper is:

1)Why didn't the mafia kill Dissentowner during Night 6. Timbo said there was a cop out there, he incorrectly thought I was the cop but to the mafia that meant that the only unrevealed player would have to be the cop. At the time the players who hadn't said/proven their abilities were Aeneas, Girlysports and Dissentowner.

They killed Wood. Wood had said to target Aeneas, Girlysports and Dissentowner. He even said Puxlut should use her kill on one of them. Yes, they could have killed him because he was 2/3 correct but leaving in the cop would have been more risky as he gets to prove his claim and could have knowledge on the 3rd and 4th member of the team that Wood didn't have.

Diss staying alive only makes sense if they knew he wasn't the cop. How did they know?

2)Why did Dissentowner have to explain the reasoning for Puxlut to die was that I saw who he target? I get my investigation at the end of the night/beginning of day. Timbo (and hockeyguy15) confirmed this. But honestly, that's just how the game operates. So what's with that weird excuse? Pressured that he was caught killing Puxlut and had to come up with an excuse to why she died that involved me? I think so.

3)When Timbo and Hockeyguy15 voted for me, why did Diss say he thinks we have this in the bag? He had a vote on him, he thought that Timbo may have been my partner. Why didn't he consider a last minute swap. Why was it I the one who suggested the possibility and said for him to be certain he would need Drury18's vote? Especially now that it happened and saved me it's pretty comical. Like I said, and he did at the time, I think he knew I didn't have a partner.

I'm not asking Diss these questions, he can defend himself to you guys but I don't care what he has to say, I'm asking you guys Timbo/Drury18, your thoughts.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

And of note, Starseed did say that he had narrowed it down to me/hockeyguy15 or timbo/dissentowner.

His logic for me and hockeyguy15 was that hockeguy15 confirmed my power, but he overlooked the fact that so did timbo. Wonder what the timbo/dissentowner connection was that he saw.

Starseed's final acts confuse the hell out of me though.

Trying to read through, it looks like when you defended HG15 right away after Starseed's "reveal" and then when HG15 was wiling to vote for you, they (Pux and Starseed) got suspicious.

Originally Posted by Puxlut

It's funny that it turned into a "us vs them" back and forth. When we (SS &I) voted for them, they immediately voted for Starseed. Everyone else was asking questions and trying to get more info. Oling just jumped in quick as that, to try and save HG. It was odd how quickly that escalated.

I can't say anything about what Starseed did. He came up with the plan and when he pm'd the reasoning to me AFTER he posted, I was pissed, but his reasoning made sense to me.

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I'm going to bed.

I think our best option is lynch starseed or Puxlut. Then depending on that flip either lynch the other person or Oling.

Originally Posted by starseed

Why are you now committing to voting for Oling when you essentially confirmed he was who he said he was?

I'm trying to see where the Diss/Timbo logic is written out but I'm not seeing anything clear. I wonder if that theory was because the belief was Pux and I were town, so if you and HG were defending each other that made you a pair and then Diss/Timbo would be a pair by default.

But what I don't get, is that he basically says he thinks you are godfather, but tosses the hammer at Timbo, after questioning why HG15 would commit to voting for you and mentioning a Diss/Timbo combo. He knows he flips town, why would he point so many fingers on the way out? Give us something to hunt with, he basically went out pointing at everyone that wasn't me or Pux. Not a huge help. Plus the whole HG15 frame up that, I still cannot figure out where that was supposed to help us.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Starseed's final acts confuse the hell out of me though.

Trying to read through, it looks like when you defended HG15 right away after Starseed's "reveal" and then when HG15 was wiling to vote for you, they (Pux and Starseed) got suspicious.

I disagree with this. Here's the posts:

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Haha, well this is interesting.

Unvote

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

So if Starseed is town:

We vote out Hockeyguy15, we're (likely) down to 1 mafia member with Starseed, Puxlut and I would say Drury as confirmed townies. That's a great position to be in.

We vote out Starseed, it hurts but we get Hockeyguy15 tomorrow for sure. Still a shot to win.

If Starseed is mafia:

We vote out Hockeyguy15, we don't know if Starseed has an Eternal power or if they are real or anything. They get 3 votes, probably kill Diss and we lose tomorrow on a 3-3 tie.

We vote out Starseed, we win game after killing Puxlut tomorrow.

Originally Posted by starseed

I felt that he was the critical piece. I ignored Drury because I figured that I would be able to accept a loss due to him being mafia, as it would be OP for him to be mafia and have the ability to prevent the first mafia lynch.

HG backed up Oling's claim for his role. I still don't understand why he was left alive over Rathji if he were town.

I was going to avoid directly accusing Oling today, but I guess I have to for this to make sense. His alignment would prove to me that Oling was one way or the other. If HG was town, then Oling was town and mafia was Dissent/Timbo. If he was mafia, then his partner is probably Oling because he backed up Oling's claims when he could have asked for Pux's power at the time.

He could have got her mason power, which would prove her to be town, or her death faction investigation, which would prove her to be town as that is ridiculous for the mafia to have, or it her third power was the magikoopa hammer, which would still indicate that she was working with one other partner.

Also, I was meaning that I wanted to know if your doctor power message had bolded or coloured words in it. Not the one from the Eternals/Guardians.

I did not defend Hockeguy15, I presented all the possible scenarios (not factoring in the cult powers I guess) and then Starseed comes out with the logic that I am hockeyguy15's partner because he proved my claim. Timbo proved my claim too. My investigation powers are not up for debate. when Starseed accused me of being mafia, of course I went against him. Especially as he had 3 votes and enough to force a tie, and it would be terrible to have a 3-3 tie on Day 10...

[Drury18]

I wasn't saying I thought it was defence though. Knowing that HG15's reveal was a hoax, it's not defence because you caught Starseed in a lie. Looking at what they were saying, I would think this is more where they picked up on the defence thing though: http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=4681

This was prior to Starseed saying the reveal was a hoax. You voted for him almost immediately once HG15 was named and you said that you were backed up by HG and Timbo. I think this is the "Us vs Them" that Pux was referring to in the quote above.

I mean for Starseed's mafia theory to work, it has to be you, HG15 and Timbo all together. All 3 of you have to have the same story for it to fly. We know that can't be true because that would leave me and Diss and the only town and at 3-2, we would have already lost. Starseed would have been lynched, that group would pick off Pux and Mazrim would announce the loss because the two remaining couldn't out vote you. Even with my power, couldn't win that vote.

They did keep pushing the you and HG15 though even after the hoax thing. That part, like everything after it, is what makes no sense. They made up something to connect you, had it proven wrong, kept pushing it.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

I wasn't saying I thought it was defence though. Knowing that HG15's reveal was a hoax, it's not defence because you caught Starseed in a lie. Looking at what they were saying, I would think this is more where they picked up on the defence thing though: http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=4681
.

But that post came after. This was the order (there are some posts where I question Puxlut):

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Haha, well this is interesting.

Unvote

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

So if Starseed is town:

We vote out Hockeyguy15, we're (likely) down to 1 mafia member with Starseed, Puxlut and I would say Drury as confirmed townies. That's a great position to be in.

We vote out Starseed, it hurts but we get Hockeyguy15 tomorrow for sure. Still a shot to win.

If Starseed is mafia:

We vote out Hockeyguy15, we don't know if Starseed has an Eternal power or if they are real or anything. They get 3 votes, probably kill Diss and we lose tomorrow on a 3-3 tie.

We vote out Starseed, we win game after killing Puxlut tomorrow.

Originally Posted by starseed

I felt that he was the critical piece. I ignored Drury because I figured that I would be able to accept a loss due to him being mafia, as it would be OP for him to be mafia and have the ability to prevent the first mafia lynch.

HG backed up Oling's claim for his role. I still don't understand why he was left alive over Rathji if he were town.

I was going to avoid directly accusing Oling today, but I guess I have to for this to make sense. His alignment would prove to me that Oling was one way or the other. If HG was town, then Oling was town and mafia was Dissent/Timbo. If he was mafia, then his partner is probably Oling because he backed up Oling's claims when he could have asked for Pux's power at the time.

He could have got her mason power, which would prove her to be town, or her death faction investigation, which would prove her to be town as that is ridiculous for the mafia to have, or it her third power was the magikoopa hammer, which would still indicate that she was working with one other partner.

Also, I was meaning that I wanted to know if your doctor power message had bolded or coloured words in it. Not the one from the Eternals/Guardians.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

So has Timbo. And so did Squiggs96 when I was able to tell who he investigated. I was right about Drury18 not targeting anyone, I was right about Rathji not targeting anyone. How come you are pretending my ability isn't confirmed?

How come Timbo was able to confirm my power? How come he wasn't able to confirm Puxlut's? Why would I target you these last 2 days when Diss's power is much more scary to mafia? (and again, I confirmed it because I got Timbo's bucket)

Vote Starseed

Doesn't add up, and Puxlut trying to make a way the town can win if you reveal mafia was a hilariously bad slipup.

It was when Starseed said that Hockeyguy15 and me were working together that I voted for him. He came to the conclusion that me and Hockeyguy15 were a pair because Hockeyguy15 confirmed my power. Timbo had confirmed my power, I had confirmed my power. It didn't make sense. And Starseed said admitted as much later.

But yes, when I was accused of being the partner of a mafia member (apparently) I took issue with it. I didn't know if Hockeyguy15 was mafia, but I did know I wasn't working with him (ironic as here we stand).

[dissentowner]

I love how Oling tries to still sell he is town even though he constantly posts all the thoughts and strategies him and his scum buddie come up with, he just uses "if" and thinks that will throw us off. How does my visiting puxlut during the night mean anything?
I honestly have no idea how mafia kills work but when they night kill someone do they all have to visit the person they kill or does it just happen? If 5 scum night kill a person would they all show up on a night investigation if they all were investigated or do they just send one? Or do they even show up at all? I don't know, I already gave my reason for visiting puxlut. Oling sure throws a lot of crap out there, I am not even going to try address half the ridiculous stuff he is posting. Accusing Drury of being scum when he has shown time and time again he is aligned with the light was a stupid strategy. You couldn't force him into doing what you want so you accuse him and then move on to trying to get Timbo on your side. It won't work, Timbo knows what is happening here, he isn't dumb.

[Timbo]

The biggest breakthrough in this game was the Diss lynch. It clearly identified,
Girly and Aeneas as scum.

Oling identified it and named them scum numerous times before their deaths.
Yet he continued on the Squiggs crusade.
Keeps asking me to confirm.
Posts woods list but dismisses or neglects to mention an earlier post by wood
Twilight Night 6
Wood - Says it seems like Town has given up but game is not lost. Believes town is himself, GGG, Drury18, Rathji, Puxlut, Timbo, Starseed and HG. Mafia is going to be Girly, Diss, Aeneas, Squiggs and possibly Oling. There is time to take them all out. Says if there is a cop, they will die tonight but believes there is no cop based on the numbers.

Diss gained town cred by Aeneas and GS trying to manipulate a lynch.
Rathji and Diss were at each others throats for a long period here.
Was Rathjis nightkill a move to set up Diss or was Diss eliminating his #1 threat?
No explanation by Diss to why Mazrim gave him a one shot doc. This is unprecedented.

Girlies scum list in this post

Then she goes on to say this in post 3472

This makes now even more confusing.

Then there is Hockeyguy15 who from all of us, has not done something we all were guilty of, that is....crusade against a townie.
Drury18 vs GGG
Timbo vs starseed
Oling vs Squiggs/Delgar/Puxlut/ oh hell most everyone.
Dissentowner vs Rathji

Hockeyguy vs nobody

Then there is Drury18 who saved me from death
He does not vote enough he keeps waiting in the wings. Dude you have to vote, digging up an absolute bona fide on Mafia just is not going to happen IMO.

[Hockeyguy15]

I was also thinking last night that we all have our power verified except for Diss. He said he visited Puxlut last night to give her the extra vote, which makes sense for sure but in the previous games the Mafia have to designate one person to make their kill and that person can be tracked. It's possible that Diss made the kill on Puxlut. I did panic a bit last night when Timbo seemed to waiver a bit on Oling and then Drury still hadn't voted and doubt crept into my mind. I realize that it looks pretty bad but I was making a judgement call, kind of like when Drury saved Timbo. I also thought back to the fact that Aeneas was a watcher, and wondered how likely it would be that the Mafia would have a watcher and a tracker and that our cop was the serial killer.