Bill Peters' open apology to Treliving. UPD: Aliu responds

[sempuki]

Originally Posted by Slowne

Ah yes "Bxxmers"...

I'm guessing you are not aware how hypocritical it is to post a word that categorizes a group of people in a thread condoning a person that did just that.

As long as it fits your truth right...

good grief.

Ok Boomer

[djsFlames]

I've worked in a facility as one of just a couple white guys, and not once in all my frustrations there did I ever think to utter that word, or anything even bordering on that. That as a twenty something that didn't know better when it came to a lot of things.

So yeah, it definitely takes a certain mindset to be a guy in your late forties who actually should know better to let that word be uttered openly by yourself in such a setting and then not think enough of it to not revisit it and own up to it afterward.

This is exactly why an apology straight to the individual/s involved is absolutely pertinent, and not just your current boss. It's not normal behaviour and that needs to be recognized. There's simply nothing that justifies it, even if it was due to situational frustration. A decade removed or not. It clearly still is playing on Aliu's mind.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I have a couple of friends who are very serious about the offense they feel when the Lord's name is taken in vain. I'm not a part of the group who is offended by this, and it has taken a while to become personally aware of my own vocabulary on this issue. Devout Christians arn't easily identifiable by sight.

I see what you are saying. "Stupid" is a descriptor, and "Boomer" has been a non-offensive term since it's inception until last Tuesday at 4:34PM, when a man named Joe in Wisconsin decided that it was bad.

Using the name Jesus Christ in a way that's easily identifiable as a negative has been offensive to a number of people for well over a millenia. Religion is in the same world as the issue at hand in terms of needing to tread lightly. Christians are rather forgiving, but going to Cairo, drawing a stick figure on the side of a building and shouting "Hey, look! It's...." will give an indication of the seriousness of minimizing one's faith.

It has been a struggle for me to change my language, but once the habit is gone, I notice when exclamations are made by others. I also get if this was a stealth jab at organized religion, putting it in with the other two. This is where I make a joke about St**** Bo*****.

On with the regularly scheduled programming.

(I would add as well, in relation to Peters use of certain language, that he was very aware of not only the offense given by use of the language itself, but of who he was saying it to. A double whammy of intention.)

It’s still different. It’s not used as a derogatory word towards Christians. It’s just not following a rule of that religion. They don’t believe in taking the Lord’s name in vain. Fine, they shouldn’t. Muslims don’t eat bacon. Great, they don’t have to. I can do any of those things. I suppose if they say it bothers them I can oblige out of politeness, but IMo that’s no different than refraining from using an F bomb because people don’t like it.

[cam_wmh]

Originally, I opined;

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

At the expense of the team & league brand?


Here's what's going to happen;

He'll get fired, publicly. The flames marketing machine will share they have zero tolerance. There will be an NHL anti-racism campaign.

Shamed Peters will briefly apologize, share he has growing to do, and quietly go in the night. He'll go on "sabbatical" for 3 years, and will have an ok severance.

I hedged, on Peters reacting similarly to how Vanbiesbrouck did. John apologized unequivocally, resigned and went on his way.

Conversely, Peters & his counsel must have identified, he may not have the decade long window of repair, and instead are holding firm --> it was so long ago that he apologies, and has grown. His salary expectations in the KHL would be a lot closer to $100k then $1m.

Do the Flames have a nuclear option here? Surely, they wouldn't allow this dismissal be heard and on public record. IAMAL, but the length of time since it occurred, worries me in the Flames avoiding having to pay all of the remainder of monies owed.

[Redlan]

A lot of racists in here...on all sides of issue. I am only going to state this once and I am not going to debate my view, but if you are using the color of someone’s skin in your discussion, you are not part of a solution and may be in fact part of the problem.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Maybe Peters was just singing the songs lyrics

I recall hearing about some people getting some serious heat over social media for that. The first one that comes to mind, a white girl had been invited up on stage at a rap concert to sing, and sang the actual lyrics to the song, earning her backlash and having the artist himself stop her.

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-44209141

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Is anyone saying they haven't heard it said?

It was said, lots....by racists.

It was said lots by wiggers or any other fake gangsters.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

I recall hearing about some people getting some serious heat over social media for that. The first one that comes to mind, a white girl had been invited up on stage at a rap concert to sing, and sang the actual lyrics to the song, earning her backlash and having the artist himself stop her.

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-44209141

lol, that is a tough spot to be put in

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

It was said lots by wiggers or any other fake gangsters.

90% of my high school probably called it that...white, black, other. I don't think everyone is racist. Kids are dumb

Grown ass man? obviously you can't say that

[calumniate]

The great Don Cherry himself managed to step around this landmine by all accounts. Peters was too daft to step around it.

I hope Brad investigates this in full, talks to as many current and former players and coaches and makes sure there isn't further evidence of prejudice and abuse.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by dino7c

90% of my high school probably called it that...white, black, other. I don't think everyone is racist. Kids are dumb

Grown ass man? obviously you can't say that

Grown ass men that grew up in the 90s and 2000s still say it if they still believe there "hardcore".

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by calumniate

The great Don Cherry himself managed to step around this landmine by all accounts. Peters was too daft to step around it.

I hope Brad investigates this in full, talks to as many current and former players and coaches and makes sure there isn't further evidence of prejudice and abuse.

Just fire his ass, why is this Brads job?

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

I recall hearing about some people getting some serious heat over social media for that. The first one that comes to mind, a white girl had been invited up on stage at a rap concert to sing, and sang the actual lyrics to the song, earning her backlash and having the artist himself stop her.

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-44209141

The n bomb is terrible no matter who says it . On the other hand tho maybe dont put it in your music if you don't want it repeated.

[cracher]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

So far over the last couple of days, different posters have said “stupid,” “boomer,” and “Jesus Christ” are as bad as the n-word

Sorry catching up, this place moves fast these days. Which thread was this in? Really curious about how to steer wrestle a privileged groups’ contrived blaspheme rule into a comparison with a word that is burdened with multiple generations of human rights violations.

[dino7c]

If you go to a rap concert do you just skip over those words? honestly? never been

Maybe its time to hang up the N word for everyone

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Elkyiv

If you are in the "Peters ought to be fired" camp, I am curious to know what you would consider to be an appropriate apology that he could have submitted where he could keep his job? Does such an apology exist in today's cancel culture?

He should have apologized to the player, this would indicate a sincere apology to the person that he hurt. Because he makes no mention of the player, the letter itself does not come across as him being sincere for his actions. Personally I think it was a poorly crafted letter. One of the main points from Aliu is that Peters refused apologize so what is the point of the letter to Treliving? We wouldn't be where we are today if Peters had apologized to Aliu 10 years go. So why no apology now? I do not believe Flames will accept this is a sincere apology because it does not resolve the initial concerns and problem.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

He should have apologized to the player, this would indicate a sincere apology to the person that he hurt. Because he makes no mention of the player, the letter itself does it come across as him being sincere for his actions. Personally I think it was a poorly crafted letter. One of the main points from Aliu is that Peters refused apologize so what is the point of the letter to Treliving? We wouldn't be where we are today if Peters had apologized to Aliu 10 years go. So why no apology now? I do not believe Flames will accept this is a sincere apology because it does not resolve initial concerns and problem.

The truth is likely his lawyer told him not to...or wrote the whole thing. The second he apologizes to Aliu he is admitting it was directed at him not just

Turn off the nword music fellas

Bill likely doesn't want to be sued

[Patek23]

I’m sure this has likely been said already but....

Apologizing to Akim would be sincere.


Apologizing to Brad just means your trying to keep your job.


See ya Bill!

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I highly doubt anybody involved with the Chicago Wolves knows anything about Peters transgressions unless he was dropping N-bombs at players on other teams.

Oops, not sure why I was thinking that over Rockford IceHogs.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

He should have apologized to the player, this would indicate a sincere apology to the person that he hurt. Because he makes no mention of the player, the letter itself does not come across as him being sincere for his actions. Personally I think it was a poorly crafted letter. One of the main points from Aliu is that Peters refused apologize so what is the point of the letter to Treliving? We wouldn't be where we are today if Peters had apologized to Aliu 10 years go. So why no apology now? I do not believe Flames will accept this is a sincere apology because it does not resolve the initial concerns and problem.

I may be wrong but didn't he say the music was " explitive music not that he was a explitive? Is not the issue here that he used the n word period not that he called someone the n word? It doesn't excuse him if he used the word in any context but it would explain his apology.