[News] UPD: Friedman: Peters being officially removed as head coach is close

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by New Era

I really hate the standard this is about to set. If Peters has not said anything like this while coaching the Flames then there is no grounds for termination - other than his ####ty coaching. How many people are going to get railroaded because they used bad language in the past? How many hockey players have not used a homophobic slur in the past? This opens a door than may never be closed. I'm not a fan of Peters, but him getting sacked for something that was done a decade ago is just bad business IMO.

Well, it is grounds for termination, not to mention the fact they can let him go whenever they want.

Not only was it racist language, directed at a black player, he had the opportunity at the time to own it, apologize and make up for it, and he doubled down. As a 45 year old person in a position of authority he couldn't even manage the situation correctly. I don't have a lot of faith much has changed since.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Sgrath

That's my point, sorry was being a bit obtuse. Why didn't anyone say anything, 10 years ago the US had elected a black president. How the hell has hockey managed to have this f'd up culture for so long?

Because hockey is a closed society where pissing off the wrong guy at the wrong time means your hopes and dreams for 15+ years can be dashed in an instant, along with millions of potential dollars in career earnings.

Because there is no public accountability for leagues that would be financially unprofitable without massive public subsidy.

Because sports are used to co-opt national identities to achieve mythical, unassailable status.

[cam_wmh]

I appreciate threads like this, to really identify those ##### posters. They come out of the wood work.

[Sgrath]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

If Peters admitted to it immediately, expressed regret, contacted Aliu and apologized, would BT say they’re still investigating? If Aliu accepted his apology, could Peters stay?

I would hope so, even if that scenario had happened, I'd want BT to find a way to let Peters go and try and learn to be a better person in his retirement.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

If Peters admitted to it immediately, expressed regret, contacted Aliu and apologized, would BT say they’re still investigating? If Aliu accepted his apology, could Peters stay?

Treliving might say that but it wouldn't be true it would be cover for "working out termination deal". As to the latter, I really don't know but it would be difficult. The doubts about his character would remain, since the apology only came when he was caught. He didn't apologize at the time - he doubled down.

Had he done it at the time, even if Aliu didn't accept it (which he probably would have), he would be in a far far better position. I doubt he'd be fired then, and he'd be way better off now.

[Gaskal]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1199395664326619136

Treliving says "this subject matter has no place in our organization" which all but confirms he's gone.

[ST20]

Originally Posted by New Era

I really hate the standard this is about to set. If Peters has not said anything like this while coaching the Flames then there is no grounds for termination - other than his ####ty coaching. How many people are going to get railroaded because they used bad language in the past? How many hockey players have not used a homophobic slur in the past? This opens a door than may never be closed. I'm not a fan of Peters, but him getting sacked for something that was done a decade ago is just bad business IMO.

Actions have consequences. Unless Peter is clearly able to demonstrate how he has changed as a person over the last 10 years then it is grounds for dismissal. There have been examples where people have said things in the past that were socially acceptable but is no longer acceptable today but have shown they are different people and did not lose their job (or got cancelled). Kevin Hart comes to mind.

I don't know what you mean by bad business either. It's actually good business not to alienate your fan base keeping a guy who many think are racist.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by Sgrath

I would hope so, even if that scenario had happened, I'd want BT to find a way to let Peters go and try and learn to be a better person in his retirement.

At the expense of the team & league brand?


Here's what's going to happen;

He'll get fired, publicly. The flames marketing machine will share they have zero tolerance. There will be an NHL anti-racism campaign.

Shamed Peters will briefly apologize, share he has growing to do, and quietly go in the night. He'll go on "sabbatical" for 3 years, and will have an ok severance.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Treliving better not bobble this or it's his ass as well.

What would you be doing right now?

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by robbie111

Good job Brad, drag it out as that always helps lots in cases like this.

Are you kidding? Its been what 18 hours?

[Sgrath]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

At the expense of the team & league brand?


Here's what's going to happen;

He'll get fired, publicly. The flames marketing machine will share they have zero tolerance. There will be an NHL anti-racism campaign.

Shamed Peters will briefly apologize, share he has growing to do, and quietly go in the night. He'll go on "sabbatical" for 3 years, and will have an ok severance.

i think you misunderstand my position, I want Peters gone regardless of whether he is contrite and his apologies were accepted.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Sgrath

That's my point, sorry was being a bit obtuse. Why didn't anyone say anything, 10 years ago the US had elected a black president. How the hell has hockey managed to have this f'd up culture for so long?

Have you seen the current president? It's not just a hockey thing

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

Good. Open that door and out every single person.

N-bomb = racist
F-bomb = bad language

There's a ####ing difference.

How about the other Fbomb that rhymes with maggot? I'm sure that has been said a million times on the ice.

[BrennyBaller]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Have you seen the current president? It's not just a hockey thing

Have you seen the Prime Minister?

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by Sgrath

i think you misunderstand my position, I want Peters gone regardless of whether he is contrite and his apologies were accepted.

Ok, to contrast what I said originally you're asking for Treviling to offer empathy in Peters exit?

How about you clarify your ambiguity?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

How about the other Fbomb that rhymes with maggot? I'm sure that has been said a million times on the ice.

Used to be ok. No longer ok.

[Textcritic]

God, what a surprise.

That piece of #### Bob Marjonovic on TSN 1040 is now attempting to sell this narrative that this could have been an isolated incident. He openly wonders why Aliu took so long to come forward with his allegations.

For added context, this is the same guy who consistently goes out of his way to slag PK Subban on the air at every opportunity.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I suspect that, as someone else said, the only delay in the official announcement is finalizing how he gets fired. Meaning...they are probably making sure they can fire him, with cause, in a way where he doesn't get paid further.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

How about the other Fbomb that rhymes with maggot? I'm sure that has been said a million times on the ice.

Yes that's homophobic and hockey still has a long long way to go in that regard (and general LGBTQ acceptance within the sport).

Who even uses that as an insult these days? It's pretty damn immature.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I suspect that, as someone else said, the only delay in the official announcement is finalizing how he gets fired. Meaning...they are probably making sure they can fire him, with cause, in a way where he doesn't get paid further.

IANAL, but I think he may still be compensated. Reduced, but still.