[Trade] Iginla to the Pens for Agostino, Hanowski, 2013 1st

[Phanuthier]

"Hey Boston, sorry you couldn't get Iggy. My hands were tied.

...How about Cammalleri?"

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Basically if I’m interpreting this all correctly – at some point Iginla’s list went from a few teams to one.

Likely Murray/Morrow and their winning streak is what solidified Pittsburgh for Jarome.

[JazzyFlame]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Fascinating stuff.

So let me try and take another crack at how this went down

- Iginla and/or agent supply Calgary with the list – it includes both Pitt and Boston
- But player still has to sign-off on final deal when done
- Flames/Bruins agree on deal. Feaster figures its done since Boston is on the list. Both teams are confident enough that they scratch players.
- Deal is taken to Iginla camp
- Iginla camp says no. Has to be Pitt.
- Feaster now stuck. If word gets out that Iginla has picked only Pitt he’s got zero leverage. He can't call Boston to let them know because if he does the word is out that it is Pitt and Pitt alone.
- Calls Pitt and makes the best deal he can in short order
- Boston out of luck, Feaster’s hands forced.

Basically if I’m interpreting this all correctly – at some point Iginla’s list went from a few teams to one. Which is his right, but it certainly limited the likely return.

You are correct, however it was a game of chicken between Feaster and Jarome.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Fascinating stuff.

So let me try and take another crack at how this went down

- Iginla and/or agent supply Calgary with the list – it includes both Pitt and Boston
- But player still has to sign-off on final deal when done
- Flames/Bruins agree on deal. Feaster figures its done since Boston is on the list. Both teams are confident enough that they scratch players.
- Deal is taken to Iginla camp
- Iginla camp says no. Has to be Pitt.
- Feaster now stuck. If word gets out that Iginla has picked only Pitt he’s got zero leverage. He can't call Boston to let them know because if he does the word is out that it is Pitt and Pitt alone.
- Calls Pitt and makes the best deal he can in short order
- Boston out of luck, Feaster’s hands forced.

Basically if I’m interpreting this all correctly – at some point Iginla’s list went from a few teams to one. Which is his right, but it certainly limited the likely return.

yeah, I read it the same way ... crazy stuff for sure.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by liamenator

Hah. Not a single other person that watched the presser is reporting any of this anger, frustration, or resentment.

He was clearly upset he lost out, but was accepting of it. He took the loss like a man.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

How is any of that the Flames fault? Boston was on Iginla's list. They completed the deal and assumed it would be accepted by Iginla. Iginla changed his mind and wouldn't accept it.

He can be mad at Iginla and Meehan... the whole thing was out of the Flames hands.

Yep, not really the Flames fault here. I hate to say it, but it was actually kind of sleezy that Meehan and Iginla included Boston on the list, allowed the Flames to negotiate a trade with them, and then nixed it at the last minute. To me, that is just a crappy way to do things.

[StrykerSteve]

Is there a link to Boston presser?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Fascinating stuff.

So let me try and take another crack at how this went down

- Iginla and/or agent supply Calgary with the list – it includes both Pitt and Boston
- But player still has to sign-off on final deal when done
- Flames/Bruins agree on deal. Feaster figures its done since Boston is on the list. Both teams are confident enough that they scratch players.
- Deal is taken to Iginla camp
- Iginla camp says no. Has to be Pitt.
- Feaster now stuck. If word gets out that Iginla has picked only Pitt he’s got zero leverage. He can't call Boston to let them know because if he does the word is out that it is Pitt and Pitt alone.
- Calls Pitt and makes the best deal he can in short order
- Calls Boston and tells them Iginla picked Pitt
- Boston out of luck, Feaster’s hands forced.

Basically if I’m interpreting this all correctly – at some point Iginla’s list went from a few teams to one. Which is his right, but it certainly limited the likely return.

All of this is fine but then surely Feaster would have called Boston before the deal was announced to apologize and explain, no way would Boston be whinning if Feaster let them know his hands were tied about 30 seconds before he announced the deal.

In fact if Im Feaster that is part of the pressure you put on Iginla to honour his list 'I have to tell Boston you screwed them, do you want to be seen this way?'

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by valo403

I do. The choice would have been to either go to an absolutely stacked team that is already tearing up the conference or go to a team that looks shaky lately and would have to go through the above mentioned stacked team. Seems like an easy choice.

Yeah, the worst thing for the Flames in this situation was to have Pittsburgh show enough interest to make an offer. When the player ultimately gets to sign off on the deal it changes the dynamic as he gets to choose exactly where he'll go.

Either way I don't think either return was great, getting a first instead of a conditional first is much better. Today it's all trivial though...time to move on. Another bad trade, by a bad team, who's tended to make bad trades when it involves them trading a good player.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

"Hey Boston, sorry you couldn't get Iggy. My hands were tied.

...How about Cammalleri?"

Boston Media (Globe) was reporting that Boston was very interested in Glencross before last night. After the Iginla situation, I wonder if they would still be interested.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Fascinating stuff.

So let me try and take another crack at how this went down

- Iginla and/or agent supply Calgary with the list – it includes both Pitt and Boston
- But player still has to sign-off on final deal when done
- Flames/Bruins agree on deal. Feaster figures its done since Boston is on the list. Both teams are confident enough that they scratch players.
- Deal is taken to Iginla camp
- Iginla camp says no. Has to be Pitt.
- Feaster now stuck. If word gets out that Iginla has picked only Pitt he’s got zero leverage. He can't call Boston to let them know because if he does the word is out that it is Pitt and Pitt alone.
- Calls Pitt and makes the best deal he can in short order
- Boston out of luck, Feaster’s hands forced.

Basically if I’m interpreting this all correctly – at some point Iginla’s list went from a few teams to one. Which is his right, but it certainly limited the likely return.

The leak (or potential of it) is the one big issue that I was curious about. If the Pens knew Iggy nixed Boston (and it's reasonable to assume they would find out), then their offer from the Pens is really just a professional courtesy to Feaster. At that point they could have offered a bag of pucks and made Feaster come and pick them up from the arena in Pittsburgh.

[d_phaneuf]

Don't think this looks bad for the flames from an outside view

without knowing the full story seems bad on Meehan/Iginla, because it sounds like they may have used one accepted offer (and the details were out there so the Penguins knew what target they need to hit) to leverage another

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

all of this is fine but then Feaster would have called Boston before the deal was announced to apologize and explain, no way would Boston be whinning if Feaster let them know his hands were tied about 30 seconds before you announce the deal.

Didn't hear he didn't do that. If true - that's poor form.

[JazzyFlame]

The best part is, we as Calgary fans will go over this on July 5th once again.

[cubistcastle]

Chiarelli is saying it wasn't a conditional first in the Boston deal.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Best part of the Iginla trade?

Huntingwhale changed his fat chick avatar.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Informed the Bruin players that they'd been traded.

He was very upset in the press conference, basically implied that Feaster and the Flames were bush league.

A bit of egg on the face of the Flames here.

It's a trade with a NMC. Even I could tell you until the papers are faxed things can fall through, and I'm not being paid millions to know things like that. If he jumped the gun with his own players, that's his fault. Besides it was already leaked that Khokhlachev was going to be traded for B. Morrow, so it was nothing new here. This seems far more on him than anyone else. Only issue he should have is if he felt Feaster did deal in bad faith but far more likely Iginla had second thoughts about going to Boston, probably watched that third period on TSN hoping to catch the Flames game.

[Tinordi]

Yeah Iginla camp looks not so great in this ordeal. The downsides of NMCs. Hopefully Bouw is more flexible.

[moon]

Originally Posted by blankall

It's actually a guaranteed 1st, and 2 prospects that have a good chance of slipping into Calgary's top 10 prospect pool. The Flames scouting staff has done a lot of scouting in the NCAA recently. Because we haven't heard of these guys, does not make them worth nothing. Much better options than a non-superstar Russian and a potentially bottom pairing d-man.

The first is likely to produce the best asset in either the Pitts deal or the rumoured Boston deal. That automatically makes the Pitts deal better.

If you dismiss Kholchachov not sure why the Pittsburgh prospects are being considered since they are worse than him and much less likely to play in league.

Koko (terrible nickname) is worth more than both guys we have together.

[thefoss1957]

Flash...in the other thread, I got abuse for saying that some of you Flames fans were overstating the return value for Iginla...as an Non-Flame, Non-Eastern Conference Fan, it doesn't doesn't really look like the Pens gave up much for him. A former 3rd rounder, a former 5th rounder, and a Pick that will be 26th or worse...seems like nothing compared to the hopes of "top" prospect or NHL ready guys that some were hoping for.

Feaster really appears to have had his hands tied...as if the deal was forced on him by others (like ownership)...or...he just bailed on demanding anything in return to save the Franchise the embarrasment of the ordeal that had been ongoing in shopping Jarome around.

For myself, as I stated, Iginla really fit neither the style or the immediate needs of my team, and was not really expecting Chicago to be the trade partner. If we had given up our next 1st round pick, then we would have no picks at all until the 4th round.