[Trade] Iginla to the Pens for Agostino, Hanowski, 2013 1st

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

As opposed to two no-name college players who may not even make the NHL?

What a puzzling comment.

Better two prospects coming into the fold than one who pretty much isn't anymore and is proving to be exactly what I said - a depth defenseman.

Although I take it you would prefer a Clay Wilson / Brett Carson coming back for Iggy? Go nuts, chief.

[Milt Schmidt]

It's too bad that it went down the way it did, with so many rumours and players being scratched and all. Can't blame Iggy for choosing Pit though, the one thing they've really needed is wingers and they've solved that in a big way the last little while. He's one of my favorite players of all time, if the Bruins don't win I hope Pit does, Iggy deserves it.

Milt

[valo403]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Chiarelli was extremely pissed in the press conference.

He basically stated that it was a hard draft pick.

That Feaster had informed him that he won the Iginla sweep stakes

That Feaster stopped returning phonecalls at 5 and sounds like he didn't hear back until the Penguins deal was done.

We had a done deal until the Flames went the Meehan.

Informed the Bruin players that they'd been traded.

He was very upset in the press conference, basically implied that Feaster and the Flames were bush league.

Move on and find other players.

A bit of egg on the face of the Flames here.

I doubt that he will accept anymore trade conversations with Feaster at this point.

How is your account so completely different from others?

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Pointman

It still doesn't adress the point of shipping someone along with Iginla to get a prospect that could be a core part of rebuild. Like Iginla + Brodie for Pouliot.

Why would we trade Brodie who is young and proven to at least be a second pairing guy in the NHL for someone who isn't as far along in their development and not proven anything. Seems like a lateral or worse move. Adding Iginla to it is just crazy.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Chiarelli was extremely pissed in the press conference.

He basically stated that it was a hard draft pick.

That Feaster had informed him that he won the Iginla sweep stakes

That Feaster stopped returning phonecalls at 5 and sounds like he didn't hear back until the Penguins deal was done.

We had a done deal until the Flames went the Meehan.

Informed the Bruin players that they'd been traded.

He was very upset in the press conference, basically implied that Feaster and the Flames were bush league.

Move on and find other players.

A bit of egg on the face of the Flames here.

I doubt that he will accept anymore trade conversations with Feaster at this point.

...I'm not sure we were watching the same press conference.

[Stormchaser]

Originally Posted by liamenator

So basically it seems that:
Flames and Bruins strike a deal at Noon. Agree to scratch all players involved.

Flames take deal to Iginla and Meehan, who choose not to sign-off immediately.

Dead period in the afternoon/early evening wherein Iginla and Meehan mull over the decision. (seems likely that at this point either they approach Shero or Shero approaches them and says: 'hold off. We'll make an offer').

Iginla goes to Feaster and says it's Pittsburgh and only Pittsburgh.

Flames take what they can get.

I like it. The rest off the teams from now on can play ball our way. I hope it gives us some better 1st offers on the other proposals that come in for our other trades. Makes me feel great that Boston thought they had it all wrapped up and got the shaft in the end....serves them right for not giving us a better offer earlier.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Nope. Dude was just about business. He respects Feaster, and understands how hard it is to trade players with NTC/NMC attached to their contracts.

I felt like he was pretty much boiling inside.

He's not all that happy with the way things went down.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Good lord I'm glad we didn't get Bartkowski. The though of a 5/6 depth defenseman as a return just makes me gag.

Bartkowski is meaningless to the deal.

The one prosepct the Bruins were offering was better than either of the ones Pittsburgh gave us.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by neo45

Ugghhhh Boston and Feaster agreed to a deal before Iggy chose Pitt. I'm judging that deal. You realize that right?

Feaster had leverage when he negotiated that deal, and it was still a crap deal

Again what was the leverage they had even before Iggy chose Pittsburgh?

Everyone in the league knew it was down to 3 teams, right there your leverage is minimal. Boston likely offered something they felt comfortable paying, who knows if that offer was the one they agreed upon. The only thing Feaster could do would be to tell them pound sand we want more.

Playing chicken is a dangerous game when you're the only one who has something to lose. The Flames could not afford to have Iggy walk for nothing, they had to make a deal regardless of if fans think it was enough. You can only get what the market is willing to pay, and based on the rumoured deals we heard the market wasn't willing to pay what fans wanted. No matter how much Feaster played mind games with other teams it is unlikely that price would be increased very much.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Chiarelli was extremely pissed in the press conference.

He basically stated that it was a hard draft pick.

That Feaster had informed him that he won the Iginla sweep stakes

That Feaster stopped returning phonecalls at 5 and sounds like he didn't hear back until the Penguins deal was done.

We had a done deal until the Flames went the Meehan.

Informed the Bruin players that they'd been traded.

He was very upset in the press conference, basically implied that Feaster and the Flames were bush league.

Move on and find other players.

A bit of egg on the face of the Flames here.

I doubt that he will accept anymore trade conversations with Feaster at this point.

How is any of that the Flames fault? Boston was on Iginla's list. They completed the deal and assumed it would be accepted by Iginla. Iginla changed his mind and wouldn't accept it.

He can be mad at Iginla and Meehan... the whole thing was out of the Flames hands.

[$ven27]

In the end it's Jarome's decision. I have no bad feelings towards him whatsoever, Chiarelli can go screw himself.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Pointman

It still doesn't adress the point of shipping someone along with Iginla to get a prospect that could be a core part of rebuild. Like Iginla + Brodie for Pouliot.

The deal was already very complicated thanks to the NMC, adding more moving parts would have likely meant further stasis. There's no reason why a package of Iginla+Brodie is greater than the sum of the parts and a significant risk that because of the complex NMC negotiations that the return would have been less than the sum of the parts. Ultimately, it's just not convincing to throw hypothetical situations out like this. For all we know Boston and Pitts wanted only Iginla.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Still wonder if Cammy can get Koko out of Boston... I like the player.

They don't have much room next year with the cap, about 10M once Savard's placed on IR. They don't, however, need to replace or re-sign many players. Hamilton should firmly be in the top 4, they would probably like to re-sign or grab a vet like Ference for their bottom pairing but defense is not a huge issue. For forwards, they're pretty set with the exception of Horton being a UFA, Caron might make a bit but not ground shattering. Biggest issue is goaltending as Rask's and Khudobin's contracts are up. Throw Cammalleri's full cap hit next year and their in tight to re-sign Rask and fill out their roster spots. Maybe if the Flames were willing to retain some salary and cap they could make it work but it didn't sound like Chiarelli was too thrilled with how everything went down yesterday, might not want to deal with Feaster.

With that said, after being out on Morrow and Iginla, if they do miss out on someone like Hemsky there's not really many options left that don't involve Flame wingers and I don't think they plan on just rolling over and dieing.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Bartkowski is meaningless to the deal.

The one prosepct the Bruins were offering was better than either of the ones Pittsburgh gave us.

For sure. But I am more satisfied with two medium prospects who I'm sure Weisbrod has seen play in the NCAA, and may turn out to be steady NHL'ers.

Truth be told of course I would have given them up for a Despres / Bennett or something like that.

[$ven27]

Is there any links to the Chiarelli conference or whatever?

[sureLoss]

Joe Haggerty ‏@HackswithHaggs 18s Peter Chiarelli confirmed it was a "firm" 1st round pick offered along w/Khokhlachev and Bartkowski. Not conditional as previously reported

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I felt like he was pretty much boiling inside.

He's not all that happy with the way things went down.

Well, of course not. He lost out.

He was respectful though and I thought rather understanding. He spoke at some length about the difficulties of trading contracts with NMC/NTCs attached.

I like Chiarelli based on that press conference. Respectful, confident.

[JiriHrdina]

Fascinating stuff.

So let me try and take another crack at how this went down

- Iginla and/or agent supply Calgary with the list – it includes both Pitt and Boston
- But player still has to sign-off on final deal when done
- Flames/Bruins agree on deal. Feaster figures its done since Boston is on the list. Both teams are confident enough that they scratch players.
- Deal is taken to Iginla camp
- Iginla camp says no. Has to be Pitt.
- Feaster now stuck. If word gets out that Iginla has picked only Pitt he’s got zero leverage. He can't call Boston to let them know because if he does the word is out that it is Pitt and Pitt alone.
- Calls Pitt and makes the best deal he can in short order
- Calls Boston and tells them Iginla picked Pitt
- Boston out of luck, Feaster’s hands forced.

Basically if I’m interpreting this all correctly – at some point Iginla’s list went from a few teams to one. Which is his right, but it certainly limited the likely return.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Ummm...what?

They were the ones making assumptions....obviously....and no one is making a larger assumption than youself in saying that the package would have gotten better had they waited. For all we know it may have disappeared completely.

You think the Boston deal was a better one? Fine...but when Iggy said its Pittsburgh, that was off the table.

Not really, at that point you still have a few days, you can imply to Iginla that you are not prepared to do the deal with the Pens, you try to get some pressure on him, you also let the Pens dangle, adding pressure to them knowing that Boston is in the mix.

[liamenator]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Chiarelli was extremely pissed in the press conference.

He basically stated that it was a hard draft pick.

That Feaster had informed him that he won the Iginla sweep stakes

That Feaster stopped returning phonecalls at 5 and sounds like he didn't hear back until the Penguins deal was done.

We had a done deal until the Flames went the Meehan.

Informed the Bruin players that they'd been traded.

He was very upset in the press conference, basically implied that Feaster and the Flames were bush league.

Move on and find other players.

A bit of egg on the face of the Flames here.

I doubt that he will accept anymore trade conversations with Feaster at this point.

Hah. Not a single other person that watched the presser is reporting any of this anger, frustration, or resentment.