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Erick Estrada · 12-10-2021, 10:28 AM

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Does this mean LSD is the safest drug?

I recommend LSD to people that want to test the limits of how long their bodies can go without sleep.

Roger · 12-10-2021, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Azure

lol, didn't take long for the moronic anti-vaxx argument to come up. Give your head a shake.

What this is really about is whether or not prohibition (banning something) works.

It doesn't. End of story. We literally have 100 years of data to prove that.
But lets go another round with stupid policies that just serve to make a government look like they're doing something. In New Zealand's case, it is right on par with a lot of other policies to 'serve the greater good.'

This isn’t the same as prohibition. Prohibition took something away from everybody at the same time. This is a new strategy to phase one particular method of delivering something that is not being banned. You can still have tobacco. You can still have nicotine. You can drink a gallon of formaldehyde. Cigarettes themselves as the all in one delivery method is getting phased out on people that are way too young to even start smoking. But if they’re dead set on getting cigs, then yeah, there’ll be a bit of a black market for it.

This is like phasing out leaded gas. Land mines. CFCs. What is so hard to comprehend here?

zamler · 12-10-2021, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I recommend LSD to people that want to test the limits of how long their bodies can go without sleep.

It cured my hypersomnia.

2Stonedbirds · 12-10-2021, 10:54 AM

Tomorrow they can show us how to piss!

nfotiu · 12-10-2021, 11:01 AM

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This isn’t the same as prohibition. Prohibition took something away from everybody at the same time. This is a new strategy to phase one particular method of delivering something that is not being banned. You can still have tobacco. You can still have nicotine. You can drink a gallon of formaldehyde. Cigarettes themselves as the all in one delivery method is getting phased out on people that are way too young to even start smoking. But if they’re dead set on getting cigs, then yeah, there’ll be a bit of a black market for it.

This is like phasing out leaded gas. Land mines. CFCs. What is so hard to comprehend here?

That's a decent way of looking at it I think. Cigarettes seem just a particularly dangerous vehicle of delivery to the user and to others. I think a ban like this would probably work since cigarette use is pretty much done in younger generations anyway. My middle school and high school kids talk about everyone vaping and some pot smoking, but I think someone actually smoking at school would bring the looks of someone bringing a Sony Walkman to school.

Lubicon · 12-10-2021, 11:09 AM

So presumably this also applies to foreigners (tourists etc.). It's not a huge number but if you are a tourist and smoke that means you would not be able to purchase cigarettes' in NZ? Wonder if they would be legal to bring in as part of a personal allowance?

_Q_ · 12-10-2021, 11:26 AM

As the war on drugs shows, this will be a huge success.

TheIronMaiden · 12-10-2021, 11:30 AM

Are they still allowed to grow tobacco plants? I like the idea of folks scoring a bag of home grown cigarettes.

but who are we kidding, these kids will be smoking their older brothers cotton candy vape.

MoneyGuy · 12-10-2021, 01:39 PM

So much sarcasm in this thread.

btimbit · 12-10-2021, 01:41 PM

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As the war on drugs shows, this will be a huge success.

I would like to congratulate drugs, on winning the war on drugs

PeteMoss · 12-10-2021, 01:44 PM

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As the war on drugs shows, this will be a huge success.

The big failure of the war on drugs is that it landed a zillion people in jail. As far as I can tell, they aren't making possession or use illegal - so I doubt this is going the same impact.

I'm ambivalent to this but its probably good that one country is trying it out to see if it works.

Roger · 12-10-2021, 05:09 PM

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The big failure of the war on drugs is that it landed a zillion people in jail. As far as I can tell, they aren't making possession or use illegal - so I doubt this is going the same impact.

I'm ambivalent to this but its probably good that one country is trying it out to see if it works.

Hold up there... A bunch of different strategies on a bunch of other substances didn't work, so who the hell are you to congratulate a different country for trying something unheard of on a habit that can still be satiated in a synthetic way? Shut your pie hole, guys in the 20s and 30s bootlegged alcohol, and by the way, people beat their wives when drunk, so forget trying to eliminate cigarettes.

btimbit · 12-10-2021, 05:58 PM

This ban is stupid and I would hate to see something similiar here

Maritime Q-Scout · 12-10-2021, 06:07 PM

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Can someone explain to me how we're looking at decriminalizing drugs all over the world as a effort to help users and prevent crime and yet we're celebrating criminalizing a drug?

We know prohibition didn't work but this time will be different?

I'm open to being proven wrong, and will check back in 15 years I guess, but I struggle to understand how this isn't going to fail like the criminalization of every other drug.

Decriminalized is still illegal. There are punishments that still come with that.

That said, a cost/benefit analysis needs to be done. You'll never eliminate drug usage (or any drug) through legislation. However, the goal should be reduction with the cost of reduction being less than legalization.

Now to be clear:

I don't know what the outcome of a cost/benefit analysis is.

I'm just saying if you run the analysis and banning smoking/alcohol/narcotics/etc comes out that the benefits outweigh the costs then do it, if they don't then don't.

Neither option is perfect. Which is better? Stating "but this is a drawback" without any other analysis is useless.

PaperBagger'14 · 12-10-2021, 06:16 PM

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I would like to congratulate drugs, on winning the war on drugs

Time to celebrate!

Maritime Q-Scout · 12-10-2021, 06:37 PM

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Time to celebrate!

It'll be one hell of a celebration party

FormerPresJamesTaylor · 12-15-2021, 06:46 PM

okay lol, these two posts back-to-back of each other are hilarious

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I hate this policy. Adults should be allowed to do what they want.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...32#post8096932

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Good lord, there are some ghoulish opinions being expressed in this thread. Some libertarian edgelord stuff.

MoneyGuy · 12-15-2021, 07:27 PM

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I hate this policy. Adults should be allowed to do what they want.

Does that include not wearing seatbelts and helmets for motorcyclists? I imagine you have a line. On which side of the line does assault fall.

Weitz · 12-15-2021, 08:22 PM

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Does that include not wearing seatbelts and helmets for motorcyclists? I imagine you have a line. On which side of the line does assault fall.

As long as we allow things like alcohol and pop why can’t we allow cigarettes?

OldDutch · 12-15-2021, 10:55 PM

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I find the notion that this will create a cigarette black market completely hilarious. But to the point, this is the wrong direction. They should legalise all drugs.

Hahah, imagine. Hold on let me compose myself. Native bands in Ontario Canada running boats from the US through their reserves loaded with cheap smokes. To resell to Canadian on some sort of black market.

I know so crazy and funny! Just like saying a progressive came up with a dumb idea that was poorly thought out. Something that never happens. LOLZ