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Enoch Root · 03-26-2013, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by edn88

It is fully in Kipper's right to not report to another team. He signed a contract with the Flames to play hockey, and if he does not want to work else where (probably does not need to) then fine.

It probably limits the number of teams that would try to trade for him, but he could be traded to NYI and they could use his cap hit, while only paying $1MM and they wouldn't even have to suspend him - just pay him to stay home.

I am fine with Kipper staying here until the end of his contract (and reupping for a few more years at a discount to stay in Calgary).

Exactly. The flip side of being untradable is that that can re-sign him cheaper (assuming that he keeps playing).

People are hating on a guy because the only team he wants to play for is the Flames. Good freaking god.

Reign of Fire · 03-26-2013, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RT14

If this is true, I will be one peed off Flames fan and will not be cheering for Kipper any longer. There's like a month left in the season + playoffs. He never would have gotten a shot at being a #1 and earn the many millions of dollars that he did without the Flames, and his NTC has expired.

Honor the contract you've signed, suck it up and shut your mouth, play somewhere else for a few months and then you can retire if you want.

cry me a river...if management had done their job over the years we wouldnt be this position. You can't expect players to make up for management mistakes...especially management that has shown its incapable of improving the team

moon · 03-26-2013, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew

who is his source? kevin lowe? MIke Gillis? sabotage to his trade value or complete garbage

Except that sabotage is completely useless when Kipper denies it either to the public or the team inquiring about it.

I can't imagine teams interested will just stop trying to get him based on this report.

kyuss275 · 03-26-2013, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No, we all wouldn't

Bull!!!

icecube · 03-26-2013, 05:58 PM

Everything will be fine. Kypreos is not an insider. He's an idiot.

Finegrind · 03-26-2013, 05:59 PM

I agree that honoring a contract is important (from both parties)... Yet this is a slightly different case than most. He has a two week old baby at home and leaving for another city at this point is a terrible move for a family. Consider a scenario where you and your wife/husband have a child and your employer transfers you from Calgary to a different timezone/new city.

Also, This garbage argument about how they make millions of dollars is crap.... And how he can just pay for his family to move and it will all be ok. Is he going to ask the doctor they have been seeing for almost a year and their entire support system to move? These guys aren't robots... Its the entertainment business, nothing more.

Also....... It is all speculation at this point

moon · 03-26-2013, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Exactly. The flip side of being untradable is that that can re-sign him cheaper (assuming that he keeps playing).

People are hating on a guy because the only team he wants to play for is the Flames. Good freaking god.

I don't see people "hating on him" but people are frustrated because he is most valuable to the team as a trade piece right now and it is selfish to say no to that without a NTC/NMC. If he was this set on staying he could have taken a million or two less and likely got the NTC for this year of his deal.

puckluck2 · 03-26-2013, 05:59 PM

I highly doubt Kypreos would make this up. That would be career suicide for him as a insider.

moon · 03-26-2013, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Finegrind

I agree that honoring a contract is important (from both parties)... Yet this is a slightly different case than most. He has a two week old baby at home and leaving for another city at this point is a terrible move for a family. Consider a scenario where you and your wife/husband have a child and your employer transfers you from Calgary to a different timezone/new city.

Also, This garbage argument about how they make millions of dollars is crap.... And how he can just pay for his family to move and it will all be ok. Is he going to ask the doctor they have been seeing for almost a year and their entire support system to move? These guys aren't robots... Its the entertainment business, nothing more.

Also....... It is all speculation at this point

He is in a different city tonight, will spend most of April in a different city as well.

It isn't like his family is kicked out of Calgary the minute the deal goes through.

BACKCHECK!!! · 03-26-2013, 06:01 PM

Kipper: "I'd leave a $1 million+ on the table, rather than play for any team other than the Flames. I'd rather quit hockey than play in any other city."

Half of CP: "###### You Kipper!! You're a traitor you selfish #######!!"

MisterJoji · 03-26-2013, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Poe969

If this does happen, it gives the OK for players around the league to throw hissy fits and not honour their contracts. A contract is as important the day it's signed as the day it ends. If a team were to all of sudden just say that they weren't going to pay a player because they didn't want him, everyone would think it was terrible. Now a player does that and people are saying things like "well he's done so much for the team" Well what about everything the team has done for the player? If it weren't for the Flames, Kipper probably would have never got a chance to be a starter, he would have never made the money he's made and he wouldn't have the life he has to day.

If this happened to another team, we'd all be saying how bad it was.

Totally different situations. Kipper is at the end of his career, speculation running rampant that he will retire after this season. He's merely saying, he'll retire early if traded. Do you really think someone like Stamkos, or Malkin, or Ovechkin would say "don't trade me or I'll retire" while they're still in their 20's? Not a chance. This is no worse than Montreal wanting to sit Gomez so he didn't injure himself so they could buy him out. By your logic Montreal should've been forced to play him because he signed a contract to play hockey for the team.

kyuss275 · 03-26-2013, 06:01 PM

While i have stated many times that i don't believe this rumour at all, i want to ask some of you a question that don't think it matters if he honours his contract.

If the rumour is true, would you guys not care if Kipper had said no to a trade a month ago for a player that could have put us in a playoff spot?

MoreDrank · 03-26-2013, 06:01 PM

Calm down. He probably just means Toronto. If he gets traded to Toronto, he won't report.

Poe969 · 03-26-2013, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

Remember when we used to judge oiler fans for cheering for losses and a 30th place finish?

Now you are the poster child for that very same movement

And for the record, I haven't been "cheering for losses" The games I watch, I still pull for the Flames, I just don't think they'll win. I know where they sit in the standings, I know how poorly they've been playing and I know that they won't make the playoffs. I do however think at this point losses benefit the TEAM more than wins do. I know that I would give up seeing 2 of my all time favourite players play for my favourite in order to make my favourite team better.

I think it's selfish for people to think about individual players before the team. But if some people want to chastise me for wanting what I think is the best for the team than so be it. I'd rather have everyone here call me a "bad fan" for wanting them to be better in the future than become someone who cares more about the name on the back than they do the team on the front.

PlayfulGenius · 03-26-2013, 06:02 PM

I'm curious... if this were true, would the Flames have grounds to suspend him and avoid paying him?

pylon · 03-26-2013, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

Did Kypreos confirm this with the same source he confirmed Iginla's list with?

I believe NOTHING that comes out of that dimwits mouth.

Awaiting a retweet from Grant Pollock to confirm. Until then, this is merely speculation.

kyuss275 · 03-26-2013, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

He is in a different city tonight, will spend most of April in a different city as well.

It isn't like his family is kicked out of Calgary the minute the deal goes through.

out of thanks.

Enoch Root · 03-26-2013, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

Bull!!!

Some would, certainly. THat doesn't mean we all would

Flame Of Liberty · 03-26-2013, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by devo22

As I stated in the other thread, I'd be extremely disappointed if true. I get that family is important and everything, but hey - you can't just decide to "extend" your expired NTC like that. And I get that the return wouldn't have been huge, and it's not like I even wanted him to get traded for sure ... but at least the Flames should have the ability to do it if they want to. Without an NTC, a player shouldn't be allowed to make a decision like that.

I've always been a huge fan of Kipper (my favourite Flame ever, even ahead of Iggy), but if true (and it's Kypreos, so I give Kipper the benefit of the doubt here), that decision would seriously piss me off.

Kipper did us a favor by agreeing to that last year to lower the cap hit.

Any player has the ability not to report, NTC or not.

MikeN · 03-26-2013, 06:03 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...5256--nhl.html

Same report on puckdaddy as well.