2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yes lets have another tanking conversation!

I’d rather talk about how excited I was for Jokinen on his first stint. Harsh expectations versus reality on that one.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Thinking back on this post....is it shock? or is it a tear shed over losing a beloved player?

[aaronkarlpatton]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Thinking back on this post....is it shock? or is it a tear shed over losing a beloved player?

My interpretation is shock, implying something out of left field, so to speak. Maybe we are expecting something unexpected.

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[Niemo]

If we look at Rasmus' production after the first month......trading him doesn't necessarily = tanking (half joking).

The big negatives outweigh the positives. Rasmus plays the position where our savior prospect (Parekh) plays and probably our highest potential AHL dman (Bru). We also have Weegar as the top pairing and Pachal on the 3rd pairing.

He is not very consistent and doesn't seem like the type of player that will age well.

His return should far outweigh his production/dollar after 30 yrs old.

His contract will be ugly once we are ready to genuinely compete (he will be 8MM at 32-33 years old and bordering no 4-5 Dman (Weegar, Bahl, Parekh I expect to be ahead of him - this is without additions).

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Goriders

What stars did we have in 04 outside of Iginla and Kiprusoff? We didn’t draft them.

Not many stars outside of a top 3 player in the league and top 3 goalie in the league.

If you can go and acquire the equivalent of those players via trade then by all means.

Good news is we might have the goalie so that's a heck of a start.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Sec214

They've missed the playoffs since 19-20. Sure the Sharks loaded with young talent but that doesn't mean it ends anytime soon. Even with Celebrini and all those years of top 10 picks the sharks are still in the bottom.

Imagine having no meaningful hockey to watch for a half decade and the future waits to be written.

People around here don't seem to see the impact of bottoming out. It takes 5+ years to recover financially as an owner. They don't get merch sales, playoff revenue and the list goes on.

More oilers 97/29 jersey were sold in Alberta than any flames jersey in the last 10 years. I also would bet you that in the "youth market" that disparity would be even higher and the "youth" are your market in 10 years.

The Sharks tried to keep the band together for too long, and even went and acquired Karlsson in 2018. They went to the conference finals in 2019. Then they hung around for a few years trying to stay competitive before being forced into ripping their band-aid off. They didn't start selling until arguably the Brent Burns trade in July 2022. I said arguably since it seemed they were just trying to balance out their roster and give themselves some cap room to maneuver. They just tanked by trying to win for too long. They really started taking to down in February 2023 and onwards. Now they are probably selling quite a number of Celebrini jerseys.



Bedard's Jersey was the #1 selling jersey in the NHL last year:
https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/...l-jersey-sales


Calgary will never have jerseys that outsell McDavid or Draisaitl unless they get a young superstar. I would bet my life that if Calgary drafts McKenna next season, that his jersey will out-sell McDavid and Draisaitl combined.



Aside from jersey sales, what matters most is overall revenue and team valuation.



https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/20/cnbc...ions-2024.html


Edmonton is 6th, and they are generating 379M. Yes, their building absolutely makes it easier to generate revenue, and I expect that the Flames' new building will do the same when it opens up. However, McDavid's worth to that organization is immense. He allows for increased ticket prices and he puts seats in every building he plays in. The entire league watches him all the time. Americans want to see him play, and I assume Oilers games are much more watched on average than Flames' games. Plus, they made it to the Finals. Their 'brand power' has completely eclipsed Calgary's.



I am not saying that the only way up is to draft McKenna or bust. McKenna would certainly help the market and the overall valuation of Calgary, and bring in a lot of revenue on his own. I am saying that if Calgary does not find superstars and continues to be without playoff success, it is nearly as bad as terrible tank job. This is actually one of the reasons I was glad to see Treliving go, as there was a distinct lack of success.



Hockey is an entertainment business, period. You entertain fans by having an exciting and fun to watch team, or you entertain fans by winning - ideally both! Flames haven't really been doing that for a long time. It has been over 20 seasons since they made it out of round 2. So if you are going to fail, does it matter if you are Buffalo or if you are the Islanders? Nobody wants to watch either team right now.



The above combination of fandom numbers, brand, and overall excitement is what brought me from team "never tank" to team "it is ok to tank, but only in certain years". I will not insist it is the only path. I just insist that the Flames NEED to find superstars and they absolutely need to find a path to a few deep runs at least. So far I do trust Conroy to bring the Flames back from what I perceive is a level of apathy towards the franchise, especially from the outside. Your post just made me think of overall brand value here. Sorry for the lengthy reply. (and no, this is not a pro tank vs pro compete now post - just ways to increase the brand).

[Sandman]

I am a huge fan of Ras, but I really believe he will decline quickly going into his 30’s. He’s already not the greatest skater in the world, and as we all know- that’s often the first thing to go.

[MrButtons]

Can we pls get a gif, rumour, anything but this tank chat

[868904]

I don’t think the Flames have to trade Rasmus and they likely won’t considering they are battling for a playoff spot. They can wait till next year.

But, they absolutely should not extend him. Rasmus is great value at his current contract, he will NOT be great value at anything over $6 million AAV.

If you get a great offer this year, trade him. If not, wait. If you get a decent or good offer in the Summer or at next years deadline, you have to trade him.

[Harry Lime]

I don't want to jinx it, but I can see two teams who are looking to add, and each has a centre prospect in the Zary quality range that might not fit into their plans. One RHC and one LHC. Fill the team with Zarys.

[NegativeSpace]

The best time to trade Rasmus is in the summer, in my opinion. However, the idea of asset management is to ensure that you are properly maximizing the value of assets. If Rasmus is willing to sign for a below market contract, then Conroy should also consider that option. Those wanting to trade Rasmus for a "haul" - the haul doesn't disappear after he signs a contract. Similarly, those who want Rasmus gone because he won't age well then other teams probably see that as well. I have no issue with Conroy trying to determine where the best value for this player resides.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Great post C4L, to add to it this is the prefect time. WE have a new arena coming and that should keep fans engaged for lot longer, and I am sure the NHL will bring some events here with the new arena.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

The best time to trade Rasmus is in the summer, in my opinion. However, the idea of asset management is to ensure that you are properly maximizing the value of assets. If Rasmus is willing to sign for a below market contract, then Conroy should also consider that option. Those wanting to trade Rasmus for a "haul" - the haul doesn't disappear after he signs a contract. Similarly, those who want Rasmus gone because he won't age well then other teams probably see that as well. I have no issue with Conroy trying to determine where the best value for this player resides.

I'd like to know the odds of Rasmus signing a below market contract without a full NMC that would permit Conroy to trade him without his consent.

You need to assume if Rasmus signs, he's here for the foreseeable future.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Great post C4L, to add to it this is the prefect time. WE have a new arena coming and that should keep fans engaged for lot longer, and I am sure the NHL will bring some events here with the new arena.

The new arena will not be a long term draw. $80 cheap seats will scare many people away.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Not many stars outside of a top 3 player in the league and top 3 goalie in the league.

If you can go and acquire the equivalent of those players via trade then by all means.

Good news is we might have the goalie so that's a heck of a start.

I'd count Reg as a star in his particular category.

That years was kind of an anomoly however. Sean Donovan had a career year. Gelinas had a ridiculous POs - like lots of other players have and then can't replicate in regular seasons or later POs. Nilson and Neimenen come in, have a great PO and never do it again.

And they sure rode a goalie.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

The best time to trade Rasmus is in the summer, in my opinion. However, the idea of asset management is to ensure that you are properly maximizing the value of assets. If Rasmus is willing to sign for a below market contract, then Conroy should also consider that option. Those wanting to trade Rasmus for a "haul" - the haul doesn't disappear after he signs a contract. Similarly, those who want Rasmus gone because he won't age well then other teams probably see that as well. I have no issue with Conroy trying to determine where the best value for this player resides.

I said several times last summer that the time to trade Rasmus was now. After 10 points in 8 games with a +6 rating he has 11 points in 53 games and is -28. His value is going down every game. What contending team thinks he is a lock to be in their top pairing? Maybe 2nd pairing at best. We might get a 1st still but the big return isn't happening anymore.

Trade him now while we can still get a 1st.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I'd count Reg as a star in his particular category.

That years was kind of an anomoly however. Sean Donovan had a career year. Gelinas had a ridiculous POs - like lots of other players have and then can't replicate in regular seasons or later POs. Nilson and Neimenen come in, have a great PO and never do it again.

And they sure rode a goalie.

Their blueline was excellent. The right mix of puck movers and kill you in the trenches defenders.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

What will the youth be cheering for in 10 years outside of Parekh?

2nd and 3rd liners won't be selling jerseys.

uh, Wolf? Y know the reason the Flames are winning games even though they can't score...

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Their blueline was excellent. The right mix of puck movers and kill you in the trenches defenders.

Funny thing is, on paper, 05-06 is a much better team. They still have their stars and added Langkow, Huselius, Phaneuf, Hamrlik, McCarty.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

The Sharks tried to keep the band together for too long, and even went and acquired Karlsson in 2018. They went to the conference finals in 2019. Then they hung around for a few years trying to stay competitive before being forced into ripping their band-aid off. They didn't start selling until arguably the Brent Burns trade in July 2022. I said arguably since it seemed they were just trying to balance out their roster and give themselves some cap room to maneuver. They just tanked by trying to win for too long. They really started taking to down in February 2023 and onwards. Now they are probably selling quite a number of Celebrini jerseys.



Bedard's Jersey was the #1 selling jersey in the NHL last year:
https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/...l-jersey-sales


Calgary will never have jerseys that outsell McDavid or Draisaitl unless they get a young superstar. I would bet my life that if Calgary drafts McKenna next season, that his jersey will out-sell McDavid and Draisaitl combined.



Aside from jersey sales, what matters most is overall revenue and team valuation.



https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/20/cnbc...ions-2024.html


Edmonton is 6th, and they are generating 379M. Yes, their building absolutely makes it easier to generate revenue, and I expect that the Flames' new building will do the same when it opens up. However, McDavid's worth to that organization is immense. He allows for increased ticket prices and he puts seats in every building he plays in. The entire league watches him all the time. Americans want to see him play, and I assume Oilers games are much more watched on average than Flames' games. Plus, they made it to the Finals. Their 'brand power' has completely eclipsed Calgary's.



I am not saying that the only way up is to draft McKenna or bust. McKenna would certainly help the market and the overall valuation of Calgary, and bring in a lot of revenue on his own. I am saying that if Calgary does not find superstars and continues to be without playoff success, it is nearly as bad as terrible tank job. This is actually one of the reasons I was glad to see Treliving go, as there was a distinct lack of success.



Hockey is an entertainment business, period. You entertain fans by having an exciting and fun to watch team, or you entertain fans by winning - ideally both! Flames haven't really been doing that for a long time. It has been over 20 seasons since they made it out of round 2. So if you are going to fail, does it matter if you are Buffalo or if you are the Islanders? Nobody wants to watch either team right now.



The above combination of fandom numbers, brand, and overall excitement is what brought me from team "never tank" to team "it is ok to tank, but only in certain years". I will not insist it is the only path. I just insist that the Flames NEED to find superstars and they absolutely need to find a path to a few deep runs at least. So far I do trust Conroy to bring the Flames back from what I perceive is a level of apathy towards the franchise, especially from the outside. Your post just made me think of overall brand value here. Sorry for the lengthy reply. (and no, this is not a pro tank vs pro compete now post - just ways to increase the brand).

Excellent stuff, C4L.

It's striking to see the Oilers jerseys in Calgary now. Growing up in Saskatchewan, the Oilers always had the brand yes because the cups but so much because of 99. Now, it's a whole other generation with 97 (and 29 to an extent).

Personally, I felt this shift with Iggy's era, and had they finished the job in '04 it'd have even been more pronounced.