[Trade] Russell to the Stars for Jokipakka, Pollock & 2nd (becomes 1st if conf finals)

[shadowlord]

Farhan Lalji ‏@FarhanLaljiTSN 23m23 minutes ago
After Russell trade, #Stars went back to Van & offered a higher pick than what they gave Cgy + prospect. It's believed Van didnt return call

Say what now?

(EDIT: Sorry, being discussed in the Vancouver is No Good 2 thread)

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but from a cheering for Dallas perspective, is the rank order of outcomes to maximize our value on that pick as follows?:

1. Dallas loses in conference finals
2. Dallas loses in Cup final
3. Dallas wins cup
4. Dallas loses in first round
5. Dallas loses in 2nd round

I just can't see Dallas overcoming a lot of teams in the West, so I don't have my hopes up. But if they do lose to Chicago or LA in the conference finals, Flames at best get a 27th OA pick? At worst they get a 50th OA pick?

[Blarg]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but from a cheering for Dallas perspective, is the rank order of outcomes to maximize our value on that pick as follows?:

1. Dallas loses in conference finals (27/28 OA)
2. Dallas loses in Cup final (29 OA)
3. Dallas wins cup (30 OA)
4. Dallas misses the playoffs (2nd round)
5. Dallas loses in first round (2nd Round)
6. Dallas loses in 2nd round (2nd Round)

More like this

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

Curious why you think he will play with Hamilton as #4 dman? I would expect nakladal or Witherspoon will get a look at filling that spot for the rest of the year and he will slide into our 3 pairing with wideman.

Just guessing, but he has more NHL experience than Wotherspoon and Nakladal. Plus, they have been working well together so why break that up?

Also, it wasn't a prediction so much as a: wouldn't it be great if he became that guy to partner with Hamilton?

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by flamesfan1297

As long as Dallas makes the conference final, win or lose, we get their first.

Yup, but where the pick is varries based on how they finish no? In the first three scenarios, it's a first, but it's an earlier fist the less success the have I believe (not that it matters much). I'm more interested in the last to scenarios, I assume our second rounder could be up to 8 slots hire if they lose first round vs. Second.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I just can't see Dallas overcoming a lot of teams in the West, so I don't have my hopes up. But if they do lose to Chicago or LA in the conference finals, Flames at best get a 27th OA pick? At worst they get a 50th OA pick?

yeah. If they make the conference final, it's between 27 and 30. If they miss the playoffs, it's around 45 (not going to happen obviously). If they make the playoffs and crash out ahead of the conference final, it's probably somewhere between 50 and 55.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

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So you would put the 24 year old Jokipakka significantly ahead of the 22 year old Wotherspoon? He did not play his first NHL game until he was older than Wotherspoon is now.

Perhaps Wotherspoon is the magic mesher with Hamilton.... Hamilton has gone through Gio, Russell and Wideman and Engelland is looking like the better player in the current pairing.

The comparable that I think is valid to Pollak is Klimchuck. Similar numbers as Juniors in the WHL with Klimchuck a bit better.



So on the plus side you could say that Pollak is basically worth a Flames 1st round pick (outside of Monahan/Bennett that does not mean they will be NHLers.)

First of all, I never put him ahead of Wotherspoon. However, right now, at 24, he is ahead of where Wotherspoon is right now.

Also, I have said many times that I think Wotherspoon could be the guy that becomes Hamilton's partner.

Its not a ranking system, or who has the better GRIT index or whatever... it is simply a case of the Flames needing to find that #4. And every player that it might be is another opportunity for success.

Someone will be that guy.

If Jokipakka is, this trade is a home run. If Wotherspoon is - awesome.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Yup, but where the pick is varries based on how they finish no? In the first three scenarios, it's a first, but it's an earlier fist the less success the have I believe (not that it matters much). I'm more interested in the last to scenarios, I assume our second rounder could be up to 8 slots hire if they lose first round vs. Second.

Yes. And other than the longshot of missing the playoffs, I believe you nailed it.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but from a cheering for Dallas perspective, is the rank order of outcomes to maximize our value on that pick as follows?:

1. Dallas loses in conference finals
2. Dallas loses in Cup final
3. Dallas wins cup
4. Dallas loses in first round
5. Dallas loses in 2nd round

4 & 5 don't matter. The pick will be the same if they lose in the first or second round.

Ideally, if Dallas doesn't go to the Conference Finals, we want as many lower-ranked teams to make the Conference Finals as possible to improve Dallas's pick.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes. And other than the longshot of missing the playoffs, I believe you nailed it.

Figured, but wasn't sure about whether the first two rounds mattered or only once you got to the conference finals before it mattered.

Edit: now based on get backs no longer sure.

[Flash Walken]

I definitely think this is a better return than the Iginla deal.

Getting a young NHL ready defender is just such an oustanding return for a pending UFA defender.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Benning confirms that Dallas went with the Calgary deal over Vancouver's deal.
HAHAHAHAHAHA

[flames_fan_down_under]

Really looking forward to seeing Jokipakka suit up for the Flames.

Admittedly I don't know much about him but as its been said a young NHL ready defender is a pretty solid return for a rental. Plus potentially a 1st round pick ultimately is a lot more than I expected.

Pollock sounds like someone who can provide good forward depth.

Really a great trade for the Flames imo.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but from a cheering for Dallas perspective, is the rank order of outcomes to maximize our value on that pick as follows?:

1. Dallas loses in conference finals
2. Dallas loses in Cup final
3. Dallas wins cup
4. Dallas loses in first round
5. Dallas loses in 2nd round

1 and we hope the Panthers fall apart down the stretch.

[aznazz]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

BT so hot right now!

[sureLoss]

USA Today ranks the Flames as 2nd best Trade deadline day

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...line/81125964/

2. Calgary Flames: General manager Brad Treliving hit a home run on the return he received for moving feisty, shot-blocking defenseman Kris Russell to the Dallas Stars.

No one doubts Russell’s ability to help the Stars, but they paid a heavy price to get him. They gave up a second-round pick that becomes a first-round pick if the Stars reach the Western Conference final. There’s been a resistance movement in the NHL against giving up first-round picks for rentals. Thus, it’s a major win for the Flames to have a chance to end up with a first-round pick for Russell.

The Flames also received 6-3 defenseman Jyrki Jokipakka, who has 91 games of NHL experience, plus Brett Pollock, considered a B or B- prospect. He’s been a 25-goal scorer in the Western Hockey League and will turn pro this season. Unquestionably, the Flames got more for Russell than anticipated.

[Poe969]

They have thr B's as big winners too? It's like they gas away all of their picks except their firsts. IMO they over paid for the guys they got.

The Hawks were the big winners buyer wise but the flames were the biggest winners seller wise.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

First of all, I never put him ahead of Wotherspoon. However, right now, at 24, he is ahead of where Wotherspoon is right now.

Also, I have said many times that I think Wotherspoon could be the guy that becomes Hamilton's partner.

Its not a ranking system, or who has the better GRIT index or whatever... it is simply a case of the Flames needing to find that #4. And every player that it might be is another opportunity for success.

Someone will be that guy.

If Jokipakka is, this trade is a home run. If Wotherspoon is - awesome.

IIRC Wotherspoon was Hamilton's partner at the World Juniors.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

IIRC Wotherspoon was Hamilton's partner at the World Juniors.

yes he was = and they were a great pairing

[browna]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Kristen Odland ‏@Kristen_Odland
Brett Pollock on being traded mid-game to the #Flames: “I saw Gene Principe taking a picture of me so I thought that was a little odd."

What the hell? Does Gene have random pictures wallpapering rooms in his house.

Originally Posted by Textcritic

TEAM 1040 is spinning a rumour that the same deal Dallas made with the Flames was agreed upon by Benning and Nil, but that the deal was kiboshed by the Aquillini ownership group in Vancouver because of some childish ongoing feud they have with the Galliardi ownership group in Dallas. According to Bob Marjonovic, once Van renegged, Dallas turned to Calgary with the same deal.

Nothing like some egotistical Italian soap opera between two families for supposed "disrespect" for either/both teams, to have a sports trade fall apart. But given the Canucks spin on it, who knows.

As for the Dallas pick, an early/first team out of the playoffs for Dallas would would be no better than 46th?