Teen dead after alleged attack by father

[foofighter15]

Something about this that bothers me is the fact that the article used the picture from her Facebook.
Yes I obviously don't like the story, but thought I would bring that up

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

Why restrict the bashing to specific religions and nationalities? I recall a story about a WASP New Yorker who slowly beat his 18 month old son to death trying to toilet train him. He wouldn't let the lad eat, drink or get off the toilet ... he just kept beating him until after 24 hours of this toilet training regime the kid was dead. It seems to me that defective individuals are an inherent part of the species and no single race, religion or culture has a monopoly on them. Let's be fair therefore and bash humanity.

Humans suck! Up with tree sloths! (/sarcasm)

Certainly, there are a lot of messed up people all over the world in all faiths/denominations, etc..

But.... Islam is well known in its attitudes towards women, how they are treated quite badly in comparison to our western values. Separated from men at mosques, made to cover up to stop Muslim men from getting dirty thoughts, daughters being punished for the son's crime, gang rape punishments, girls not being allowed to be educated, etc..

Its a religion that simply has a lot of demons when it comes to the rights of women, and its that pervasive attitude that leads to a lot more instances of women being treated badly by Muslim men since they view them much differently than most of the western world.

What a sad story though, needless death yet again

[J pold]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

Something about this that bothers me is the fact that the article used the picture from her Facebook.
Yes I obviously don't like the story, but thought I would bring that up

Why? She willing put them on the internet for anyone to view

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Thor

Certainly, there are a lot of messed up people all over the world in all faiths/denominations, etc..

But.... Islam is well known in its attitudes towards women, how they are treated quite badly in comparison to our western values. Separated from men at mosques, made to cover up to stop Muslim men from getting dirty thoughts, daughters being punished for the son's crime, gang rape punishments, girls not being allowed to be educated, etc..

Its a religion that simply has a lot of demons when it comes to the rights of women, and its that pervasive attitude that leads to a lot more instances of women being treated badly by Muslim men since they view them much differently than most of the western world.

What a sad story though, needless death yet again

I think that we have to try to separate out actual Islam, from the radical interpretation of.

The treatment of woman varies from different sects and belief systems, some quite harsh like the Taliban's view of woman, to some of the more liberalized interpretations that we have seen there.

while this crime would definately fall under the classification of honor killings, this is something that you see happening more often in the more millitant sects, or in the tribal cultures, I also understand that the Sikh's as well. However its funny, because you don't see a lot of honor killings among Muslims living in Singapore and some of the more asiatic regions.

It is in Sharia law that its allowed and is often lightly punished or not at all. But its one of the more horrible aspects that we've seen.

[Ford Prefect]

Originally Posted by Thor

Certainly, there are a lot of messed up people all over the world in all faiths/denominations, etc..

But.... Islam is well known in its attitudes towards women, how they are treated quite badly in comparison to our western values. Separated from men at mosques, made to cover up to stop Muslim men from getting dirty thoughts, daughters being punished for the son's crime, gang rape punishments, girls not being allowed to be educated, etc..

Its a religion that simply has a lot of demons when it comes to the rights of women, and its that pervasive attitude that leads to a lot more instances of women being treated badly by Muslim men since they view them much differently than most of the western world.

What a sad story though, needless death yet again

No argument ... their attitude towards and treatment of women is atrocious. But so is China's towards Buddhist and Falun Gong members, and many whites towards natives and blacks, and various African tribes towards various other African tribes, Serbs and Croats, etc., etc, ad infinitum. Unquestionably, the treatment of women by many, not all, Muslim men is abominable, and this story is the tragic result. I guess my point is that intolerance is a human trait and failing, so nobody should cast stones at anyone else. We are flawed as a species in this way, and when taken to the extreme it results in tragedy.

[foofighter15]

Originally Posted by J pold

Why? She willing put them on the internet for anyone to view

Well I've been on Facebook since it first started, and it used to be private, I still have my privacy settings on but that's beside the point.
Facebook isn't a media tool, and they shouldn't allow the media to use the pictures on it

[J pold]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

Well I've been on Facebook since it first started, and it used to be private, I still have my privacy settings on but that's beside the point.
Facebook isn't a media tool, and they shouldn't allow the media to use the pictures on it

So let’s get this straight a person can post pictures of themselves on one of the worlds most visited website

Anyone with access to the internet can view them

But the media shouldn’t be able to use them when trying to identify that person?

What should they use here graduation picture?

[Couch Potter]

what even sickens me is that her older brother was charged with obstructing the police in this investigation

if my younger sister was murdered, i'd want the man responsible to be accountable, even if that means my own father

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Crazy Flamer

Second post in and already the ignorance begins... Nice work, Ace.

I'll tell you where the ignorance is... In posts like yours and jolinar's. Of course jolinar takes it personally, he doesn't know how to differentiate between a general statement and a personal attack. And then we have you. Just love to pile on because you saw a couple other posts doing so. Nice work, Ace.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by 4X4

I'll tell you where the ignorance is... In posts like yours and jolinar's. Of course jolinar takes it personally, he doesn't know how to differentiate between a general statement and a personal attack. And then we have you. Just love to pile on because you saw a couple other posts doing so. Nice work, Ace.

What ever 4X4, had the poster clarified his post like he did a few posts down people wouldn't have drawn certain conclusions. And then for you to call us ignorant? GIve me a break. You want to talk about taking things personal....lets go back to all the driving threads shall we?

Really unbelievable.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

What ever 4X4, had the poster clarified his post like he did a few posts down people wouldn't have drawn certain conclusions. And then for you to call us ignorant? GIve me a break. You want to talk about taking things personal....lets go back to all the driving threads shall we?

Really unbelievable.

What is really unbelievable is that you and your buddy HOZ seem to have nothing better to do than wait for some some news item that you can trot out to show us all that Islam is evil. Just slap that broad brush across the whole lot of 'em.

I'm sure you'll claim that your post wasn't intended as a swipe at Islam, but isn't it odd that you've never posted about WASP's who kill their children.

Ford Prefect nailed it with his post. There is plenty of evil (and good thankfully) in every culture.

[CaptainCrunch]

Some pretty horrific stats around Honor and Dowry killings

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...ling.html'

In India, for example, more than 5,000 brides die annually because their dowries are considered insufficient, according to the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF). Crimes of passion, which are treated extremely leniently in Latin America, are the same thing with a different name, some rights advocates say

http://www.gendercide.org/case_honour.html

[4X4]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

What ever 4X4, had the poster clarified his post like he did a few posts down people wouldn't have drawn certain conclusions. And then for you to call us ignorant? GIve me a break. You want to talk about taking things personal....lets go back to all the driving threads shall we?

Really unbelievable.

Go nuts, jolinar. Spend another hour copying and pasting a million of my posts together to show the world how upset I get about driving and people that try to police me.

I don't know how you took post#2 personally. You must figure people have it out for you. Wonder why. Longsuffering brings up a potential reason.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

What is really unbelievable is that you and your buddy HOZ seem to have nothing better to do than wait for some some news item that you can trot out to show us all that Islam is evil. Just slap that broad brush across the whole lot of 'em.

I'm sure you'll claim that your post wasn't intended as a swipe at Islam, but isn't it odd that you've never posted about WASP's who kill their children.

Ford Prefect nailed it with his post. There is plenty of evil (and good thankfully) in every culture.

You might want to re look at some of my threads before you go making claims like this. Unfriggen believable buddy.....holy cow.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Go nuts, jolinar. Spend another hour copying and pasting a million of my posts together to show the world how upset I get about driving and people that try to police me.

I don't know how you took post#2 personally. You must figure people have it out for you. Wonder why. Longsuffering brings up a potential reason.

How the friggen hell is someone suppose to take it when right after they make the thread someone fly's in and says

Here we go again, another Islam/immigrant bashing thread!

You want to talk about bias??? Look in the mirror.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

No argument ... their attitude towards and treatment of women is atrocious. But so is China's towards Buddhist and Falun Gong members, and many whites towards natives and blacks, and various African tribes towards various other African tribes, Serbs and Croats, etc., etc, ad infinitum. Unquestionably, the treatment of women by many, not all, Muslim men is abominable, and this story is the tragic result. I guess my point is that intolerance is a human trait and failing, so nobody should cast stones at anyone else. We are flawed as a species in this way, and when taken to the extreme it results in tragedy.

I'm perfect

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

You might want to re look at some of my threads before you go making claims like this. Unfriggen believable buddy.....holy cow.

You mean like these gems? To be fair, your intolerance isn't limited to Muslim's, it pretty such covers the gamut of anything non-WASP or anti-immigrant.

Boy do I love our judges.

Muslim employee at Canada airport fights dress code

Saudi Arabia defends verdict sentencing rape victim to jail, lashes

Canada urged to lift visa rules for EU states

Retaining Canadian Citizenship

In the interests of being 'fair and balanced' you did start a couple of threads that didn't fall into your normal pattern, but I'd say the evidence is pretty overwhelming.

Mother dumps baby in toilet

Can someone please explain this to me!

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

You mean like these gems? To be fair, your intolerance isn't limited to Muslim's, it pretty such covers the gamut of anything non-WASP or anti-immigrant.

Boy do I love our judges.

Muslim employee at Canada airport fights dress code

Saudi Arabia defends verdict sentencing rape victim to jail, lashes

Canada urged to lift visa rules for EU states

Retaining Canadian Citizenship

In the interests of being 'fair and balanced' you did start a couple of threads that didn't fall into your normal pattern, but I'd say the evidence is pretty overwhelming.

Mother dumps baby in toilet

Can someone please explain this to me!

Oh no you didn't...................

Woooo......wooooo....wait one minute bud. You posted

but isn't it odd that you've never posted about WASP's who kill their children.

and then you try and prove your point by misleading people by listing 5 posts dealing with what you call intolerance.....and only two that I guess isn't intolerant.

First off BUD....the judge thread that you posted concerns a "WASP" if that is what you want to call it.

The visa requirements is concerning white Europenes and deals with the integrity of maintaining control off who we let into our country.

As for the cititenship thread this is what I wrote.

Now that passports are required to enter the USA via air, some people who thought they were Canadian, are not. Because they were born outside of Canada and did not register with Canadian officials, they are not considered Canadian. Now....if they have lived in Canada all their life, they should be granted immediate citizenship....as it is the right thing to do. However, this brings out a few lines within the Citizenship Act and the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act about second generation citizens born abroad.

Do you think it is fair that these people are required to register their citizenship with Canada and live here for a year to retain their citizenship?

I do.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.....That is intolerant is it?????????????/

You try and make your self credable by listing two other threads.....why didn't you list them all if you wanted to be fair???????????

Another example of idiot judges.
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=45951

Border guard accused of strip-search assault
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=45949

Police to renew effort to tow johns' cars
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=49442

B.C. government seizes three sextuplets for blood transfusions
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=37332

Accused U.S. killer won't face death penalty
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=37212

Can someone please explain this to me!
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=37272
(Dealing with a 31 year old killing a 2 1/2 year old....oh thats right WHITE)

Store kicks out disabled woman driving scooter
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=34888

Man only gets 33 months for killing girlfriend.
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=34889

Not guilty verdict in northern murder
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=34491

Soldier not guilty in sex attack on Manitoba girl
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=26968

ALL dealing with your WASP...........really BUD..........way to try and slant your little theory there.

ADD: You claim I am intolerant.........ya, I am .........I am intolerant of ANYone who treats other people like they are not human beings. No respect for life of others. Anyone, group or thing that cannot respect life and the human rights of others I can not tolerate. But you BUD....go to prove my point that if anyone voices their discontent over any minority, they are labelled racist or intolerant, instead of looking at the big picture and having a meaningful debate.

Nice work my friend.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

What is really unbelievable is that you and your buddy HOZ seem to have nothing better to do than wait for some some news item that you can trot out to show us all that Islam is evil. Just slap that broad brush across the whole lot of 'em.

I didn't start this thread nor have I done what you have said. Though there are some that twist or exagerate my words to make it seem so.

As for my other post I reacted to the Cultural equivalency of "Christianity is as bad as Islam" bit. Ummm, how did Christianity become a part of this equation? Is there a badness scale of some kind? Islam isn't bad, this guy is. He comes from a culture that I want no part of. But it makes me a bad person to say that of course.

[Cowboy89]

Alright let's get out of the personal attacks and back into discussion of this case before this thread gets locked. I apologize for initially making an off the cuff remark, it seemed to turn everyone against each other.

The National Post put out an article today about the meaning of the hijab to a Toronto-area Imam:

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=166911

A few interesting remarks:

The convener of the event, Sheikh Alaa Elsayed, said that one of the keys to getting daughters to wear the hijab is teaching them about religion at a young age. The other, he said, is "a proper spouse."

Citing the Koran, Sheik Elsayed said it is forbidden to hit anyone, adding that taking away a human life is an act against all humanity.
"No religion condones such an act," he said.
He also spoke out against moving away from religion. "We cannot let culture supersede religion," he said.
"If we stay away from the teachings of Islam, we will pay for it."

Kinda sounds like doublespeak in which he doesn't support honor killings, but yet fully supports the daughter 'paying for it' for not wearing the hijab. The only question I have is that should she 'pay for it', whom is the appropriate person or body to 'make her pay', at what time, and by what method. If he specifically means the afterlife where Allah will be the ultimate judge, then he should say it. In Christian religion after many trial and errors with public stonings and Church administered punishment, they now seem pretty clear about any punishment for sins to be administered on judgement day by the Lord Jesus Himself. What the Imam said seems pretty general and leads us WASP racists and bigots to think he might mean a public lashing or stoning, or yes even an 'honor killing' in which doesn't get reported.