Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by getbak

Carney should announce the byelection date will be exactly one week after the Edmonton-Strathcona MLA byelection.

haha that'd be hilarious. We've seen how going high when your opponent goes low has worked out for the Democrats, but its nice to see an adult basically say I'm not here to play silly games with the electorate.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

See how pathetic PP is in the grand scheme of things! lol

Carney will not delay the by-election so he can get the whiny deplorable back in the house asap! PP is great for the Libs.

Makes sense I guess, before the CPC have self-reflect on why they lost the election and oust PP as leader.

Still, it’s kind of a dick move by PP and the CPC.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

While it's highly unlikely, because "OMG MUST VOTE BLUE!", it'd be quite funny to me if he lost this election too. I know that, as a voter, if the guy I actually specifically JUST voted for turned around and quit so a guy who lost could run again...I'd be irritated enough not to vote for him. Your own riding/people didn't want you. Take the hint.

It's not PP that needs the hint, it's the Conservative Party. The Liberals took the hint and dumped their notoriously unpopular Prime Minister while still in office. These guys can't even show the door to a leader that's got them nothing but losses?

Tell him to pound sand. Find someone else. People obviously can't stand the guy.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think the southern Ontario results suggest that PP will be able to form government unless Carney presents real change for blue collar manufacturing.

Votes went from the NDP and Liberals to the conservatives. It’s that young working class vote, especially male which may be permanently with the Cons. In that scenario a small shift from liberals to bloc in Quebec elects a conservative government.

Post trade deal next year when domestic challenges from Tarrifs are still reverberating through the economy we may see an anti incumbency bent in the electorate like we almost had last year.

PP regardless of being an anchor wins at least a minority it that macro environment.

The CPC made inroads in working-class immigrant communities. Look at Brampton, where the CPC won a seat and were close in the other five (the Liberals won by margins of 1-4 per cent) . Or Calgary, where they flipped McKnight. When the threat of Trump has faded (the polls were already closing once he stopped yapping about Canada for a few weeks), the electorate will turn to the economic environment again, which probably isn’t going to be great for at least the next 18 months.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The CPC made inroads in working-class immigrant communities. Look at Brampton, where the CPC won a seat and were close in the other five (the Liberals won by margins of 1-4 per cent) . Or Calgary, where they flipped McKnight. When the threat of Trump has faded (the polls were already closing once he stopped yapping about Canada for a few weeks), the electorate will turn to the economic environment again, which probably isn’t going to be great for at least the next 18 months.

It's kind of interesting looking at the map for B.C. You'd think if affordability was a huge driver that Vancouver and the Island would have voted overwhelmingly blue. They definitely picked up plenty of seats in those areas, but that was largely due to vote-splitting.

The areas that went heavily Conservative were the more affordable areas of the province. I wonder if we're experiencing a similar problem as the U.S., where certain regions internalize issues that don't really affect them at the same level as the regions who don't seem to be voting based off of those issues.

I guess a simpler explanation would be that there are more well-educated people in areas with affordability issues who are maybe better equipped to understand that the issue goes beyond party lines.

[Slava]

Do you think there are 95-100 people who want to put their name forward for that byelection? That would be hilarious!

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by rubecube

The areas that went heavily Conservative were the more affordable areas of the province. I wonder if we're experiencing a similar problem as the U.S., where certain regions internalize issues that don't really affect them at the same level as the regions who don't seem to be voting based off of those issues.

But it's all relative. People who live in the "more affordable" areas of BC do so in part BECAUSE it's more affordable, and they have seen costs rise quickly too - just not to the same degree as others, with regard to housing. But everything still costs noticeably more than it used to, and when you've chosen to live in thr part of the province that AREN'T subject to the immediate response of, e.g. "well, that's the downside of living here in the lower mainland, it's crazy expensive", you're more likely to be influenced by those types of increases.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Slava

Do you think there are 95-100 people who want to put their name forward for that byelection? That would be hilarious!

I assume there probably is a star Liberal candidate that lost and could be parachuted in as well. Jagmeet should also go up against Pierre. It would be fun.

[puffnstuff]

Some Liberal/NDP/Bloc MP that won with less than 81% percent of the vote should taunt pp, challenge him to run in their riding.
Make him respond, to justify his parachuting into the safest Con riding in Ab.

[Slava]

Or, a western separatist should run! That would be entertaining.

[MegaErtz]

One thing that bothers me is that we, the taxpayer, have to foot the bill for the byelection.

[getbak]

The riding Poilievre is running in contains Stettler, which us old timers may remember as the safe provincial riding where Don Getty was parachuted in back in the 80s after he lost his seat in Edmonton.

At least Getty was the Premier and needed a seat in the Legislature.

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by Slava

Or, a western separatist should run! That would be entertaining.

That riding probably has a few

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by getbak

The riding Poilievre is running in contains Stettler, which us old timers may remember as the safe provincial riding where Don Getty was parachuted in back in the 80s after he lost his seat in Edmonton.

At least Getty was the Premier and needed a seat in the Legislature.

Isnt that why Stettler got the Lottery Head Office? Is it still there?

[Khel]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Isnt that why Stettler got the Lottery Head Office? Is it still there?

Grew up in Stettler, can confirm that's why they got it, no idea if it's still in that $h!t hole town.

Perfect place for a loser like Pierre to run.

[spetch]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Isnt that why Stettler got the Lottery Head Office? Is it still there?

Yes but the building is for sale. Don't recall if they are moving out totally or just downsizing. The building needs some work

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by belsarius

That's what she said.

Way to hit both ends of the classiness spectrum in consecutive posts!!

[Scrambler]

Originally Posted by Ped

Sounds like PP has enough support to stay on as leader.


Wow. Blows a huge lead and loses his own riding, but definitely worth trying that again.

Ok, 44 to 41, not 25. NDP dropped like a lead balloon and Libs increased due to Trudeau quitting/pushed out, Carney in via a softball leadership race (spoofed, really). Toss in Trump tarrifs/51st State fears.

Oh and don't forget, Carney air dropped into a riding he's never lived in, kicking out a Lib who did have a seat in a 'safe riding'

PP couldn't go to Carleton early enough since he was going all over the country to campaign on a very short campaign. Carleton was never guaranteed, in the past, about 52% CPC / 44% LPC. CPC hq didn't do enough there for sure.

Not sure about how things will work, I do hope the best for Carney.

LPC probably feel best if PP stays as the Leader of the CPC, especially if they go to an election in 2 years to get a majority (see 2021 try).

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

But it's all relative. People who live in the "more affordable" areas of BC do so in part BECAUSE it's more affordable, and they have seen costs rise quickly too - just not to the same degree as others, with regard to housing. But everything still costs noticeably more than it used to, and when you've chosen to live in thr part of the province that AREN'T subject to the immediate response of, e.g. "well, that's the downside of living here in the lower mainland, it's crazy expensive", you're more likely to be influenced by those types of increases.

To return to Brampton, the whole reason people have been moving there for 30 years - especially new Canadians - is it’s among the cheapest communities in the GTA to buy a house. But the average price of a home there is now $954k. Working-class people who live there are less able to shoulder those costs than the generationally affluent types who live in Rosedale and the Annex.

[Locke]

So now...shall Parliament be considered 'Carney-val?'