I can't imagine Carney allow for Trudeau-like scandals so I'm not exactly sure why they think Canadians will have a change of heart. They must be under the illusion they are really close with PP or maybe they just don't have faith in anyone else in the party to take over.
I hate to say it, but they are actually close. They got their best result %-wise in decades despite PP being wildly unpopular, and they did it without much from Quebec. The Liberals on the other hand made major gains in Quebec and benefited the most from the NDP collapse. If feelings turn in Quebec it's a much tighter race.
I think Carney needs to thread the needle for a while, pursuing policies that the CPC can't really oppose while keeping Quebec onside. Of course the NDP is still the wildcard and could keep the government going indefinitely.
Who should they replace him with though? I'm dead serious. Who is the heir apparent? Leslyn Lewis? She's nuts. Patrick Brown? Has no chance. Scott Aitchison? Maybe, I guess... The right answer is probably Doug Ford but obviously he isn't currently interested - maybe in a couple of years.
My immediate reaction is that he should resign as leader once they have a succession plan figured out, but given the polling in the last month or so they should have already been considering this. Yet I have zero clue who is supposed to take the reins next. So I guess it isn't totally crazy to have PP keep the seat warm. He just can't be leader for another election cycle.
If they replace Pollievre with Tim Houston, prepare for a Conservative Majority.
Houston has told the COVID Conspiracists to go f*** themselves. He lost a provincial seat in back to back elections over it.
He did win a majority then super majority because of it.
If the federal party runs an accountant who supports social causes as their leader they'd win as the abortion/LGBTQ2S+ worries would be put to rest and they aren't the Liberal Party who'd have been in power for 4 elections.
That said, if fully expect them to find someone worse than Pollievre.
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I ####ing wish... yet, even less of a chance than a guy like Patrick Brown. He's completely out of step with the party, taking shots at PP as leader. Even if you and I agree with him it's just not realistic IMO.
Also this seems fairly blunt.
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Who should they replace him with though? I'm dead serious. Who is the heir apparent? Leslyn Lewis? She's nuts. Patrick Brown? Has no chance. Scott Aitchison? Maybe, I guess... The right answer is probably Doug Ford but obviously he isn't currently interested - maybe in a couple of years.
My immediate reaction is that he should resign as leader once they have a succession plan figured out, but given the polling in the last month or so they should have already been considering this. Yet I have zero clue who is supposed to take the reins next. So I guess it isn't totally crazy to have PP keep the seat warm. He just can't be leader for another election cycle.
As far as I am concerned, they should go with an interim leader for the next year or so, some moderate within the party. No sense rushing into a leadership convention right now.
I agree, hard no to Leslyn Lewis as well.
I have heard some mention Ben Mulroney in the news...hard no to him as well. I have heard him a few times on the radio and he has a big mouth, always interrupting his guests as well...sounds too much like PP to me. Also, he has no political experience.
On the other hand, I think his sister, Caroline Mulroney, would fit the bill. She has been an Ontario MLA since about 2018 and has held several portfolios.
I think Canadians would also support Doug Ford. Contrary to the mess of a Premier that we have in AB, he supports Canada when push comes to shove.
Scott Aitchison might not have a chance to win the leadership either given he ran last time and on the final ballot wound up with 1% (to PP's 70% and Charest and Lewis's ~11% each), and he would be a fine interim leader... still not sure I've heard a more unified portion of question period in the HOC than this, in the wake of the trucker protest.
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The Buffalo Bills of Canadian politics.
You don't need to go to a sports metaphor; the US Democrats are right there.
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I don't see them getting over the hump as long as the deep routed hardliners still command some power. Maybe it's going to take another decade of failure or some of them moving on for real change. There's mounting evidence over the last four elections that not enough Canadians share their vision. They are like the LA Kings of political parties right now. Beaten four straight times by the same team and simply not good enough with little hope for that to change as currently constructed.
I think the southern Ontario results suggest that PP will be able to form government unless Carney presents real change for blue collar manufacturing.
Votes went from the NDP and Liberals to the conservatives. It’s that young working class vote, especially male which may be permanently with the Cons. In that scenario a small shift from liberals to bloc in Quebec elects a conservative government.
Post trade deal next year when domestic challenges from Tarrifs are still reverberating through the economy we may see an anti incumbency bent in the electorate like we almost had last year.
PP regardless of being an anchor wins at least a minority it that macro environment.
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I ####ing wish... yet, even less of a chance than a guy like Patrick Brown. He's completely out of step with the party, taking shots at PP as leader. Even if you and I agree with him it's just not realistic IMO.
Also this seems fairly blunt.
I understand the bluntness, but it doesn't help with the perception of the Liberals being entitled and arrogant. It kind of reeks of Trump saying he was given a huge mandate.
The Liberals really need to knock this term out of the park or it could be them and not the NDP who are wandering the political wilderness next time around.
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You don't need to go to a sports metaphor; the US Democrats are right there.
At least the Democrats have won an election (two if you count midterms) in the last decade.
As for Patrick Brown, heard the rumours. Many members of his team in Brampton were part of what was called the "most corrupt council in Canada" when they were running and grifting in St. Catharines. Stay far, far away.
I ####ing wish... yet, even less of a chance than a guy like Patrick Brown. He's completely out of step with the party, taking shots at PP as leader. Even if you and I agree with him it's just not realistic IMO.
While it's highly unlikely, because "OMG MUST VOTE BLUE!", it'd be quite funny to me if he lost this election too. I know that, as a voter, if the guy I actually specifically JUST voted for turned around and quit so a guy who lost could run again...I'd be irritated enough not to vote for him. Your own riding/people didn't want you. Take the hint.
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Who should they replace him with though? I'm dead serious. Who is the heir apparent? Leslyn Lewis? She's nuts. Patrick Brown? Has no chance. Scott Aitchison? Maybe, I guess... The right answer is probably Doug Ford but obviously he isn't currently interested - maybe in a couple of years.
My immediate reaction is that he should resign as leader once they have a succession plan figured out, but given the polling in the last month or so they should have already been considering this. Yet I have zero clue who is supposed to take the reins next. So I guess it isn't totally crazy to have PP keep the seat warm. He just can't be leader for another election cycle.
While it's highly unlikely, because "OMG MUST VOTE BLUE!", it'd be quite funny to me if he lost this election too. I know that, as a voter, if the guy I actually specifically JUST voted for turned around and quit so a guy who lost could run again...I'd be irritated enough not to vote for him. Your own riding/people didn't want you. Take the hint.
There should be a "cooling off" period where someone who does not get elected, can't just parachute into another riding and have a by-election triggered. I also don't know what I'm talking about on this matter from a legal/procedure perspective.
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PP is going to be the attack dog until the next election, then they will put a smiling face in a suit Boot before the next election starts.
Boots, not suits.
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