Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by simmer2

You've framed this question in an incredibly mature way....

On a monthly basis we follow:

Canadian consumer index
AB and BC Building permits
Canadian unemployment
Canadian household debt to GDP
Canada CPI
Canada nonfarm payroll
Usd/Cad rate
Canada purchasing managers index

While imperfect, we try to see what trends are showing up.

How do you measure the protection of human rights, social programs, basic human decency, etc., with those indicators?

[Muta]

Originally Posted by rubecube

How do you measure the protection of human rights, social programs, basic human decency, etc., with those indicators?

It doesn't matter; economy is everything. Nothing else matters. That's what Trump ran (and won) on, and I'm sure there's absolutely no buyer's remorse there at all.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

You're essentially posing the argument that he should be in a cabinet position as a "DEI" member because he represents the west? Removing regional bias what makes him better than other elected Liberal MPs?



This is the guy you want as a Cabinet Minister just because he is from Alberta/Calgary?

I actually made the exact opposite argument.

I did acknowledge that regional representation exists but theorized that in Hogan's case he'd be a cabinet minister even if elected from Toronto, Montréal or Ottawa.

Dude's VP of a large well regarded University.

[simmer2]

Originally Posted by rubecube

How do you measure the protection of human rights, social programs, basic human decency, etc., with those indicators?

I don't track them. Not sure there are any indicators for those.

There will be a lot of newspaper articles out there covering these types of stories.

I also just try to be a good person. Volunteer a bunch, be a good dad, neighbour, husband. Be kind.

I figure if each person tries to do that, we'd be in a good spot.

I'm still hoping for a fiscally conservative, socially liberal government at some point in my life.

I also prefer less government vs more. Govt's role has become too bloated and they're naturally inefficient relative to a business that has to be profitable. Im not offended by it, it's just the nature of bureaucracy.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by simmer2

I don't track them. Not sure there are any indicators for those.

There will be a lot of newspaper articles out there covering these types of stories.

I also just try to be a good person. Volunteer a bunch, be a good dad, neighbour, husband. Be kind.

When your neighbour's 13yo child, your daughter's best friend, comes out as a trans boy to her friends and teacher, and you know your neighbour will kick that child out of the house with that knowledge, but your conservative government forces his school to tell his parents, and then that kid gets kicked out of his house, and starts growing breasts that make him absolutely suicidal, but your conservative government says he is not old enough for puberty blockers (which exist to delay puberty until someone is old enough to make careful decisions on puberty).

Now this kid is out on the streets, and gets raped. Thanks to not being on puberty blockers he is now pregnant. But your conservative government is the same one that has voted against abortion historically, only prevented from doing so because the liberals were in power and "popular" sentiment at that time was pro-choice (but popular sentiment is determined by popularity, and right now American media influenced sentiment in Canada whether we like it or not, and MAGA is anti abortion to extreme levels)

Meanwhile your conservative government thinks it is more important that someone making $200k a year get more TFSA room than ensuring they fund safe housing, dental care, day care, etc for that that now 14 yo who has for his entire lifetime viewed his life through the lens of a boy, who just gave birth to an unwanted child.


And now your conservative leader is taking fiscally motivated actions to privatize health care, so that 14yo parent won't even be able to afford basic health care for your neighbour's grand child.

Who exactly are you being kind to?

You cannot decouple social issues from fiscal policy and persist to call yourself a good person.

And you cannot look exclusively at official platforms either - voting history and words matter. That Pierre Poilievre that says that kid is not a boy, is not even nonbinary. That Pierre Poilievre that says everything I said above is "woke ideology".

And you can't ignore everything happening in USA and state that Canada is immune to it. Their media dominates the minds of our populace. Their corporations owns much of our media. Their propaganda machines lie through their teeth, as do Canadian propaganda machines like Rebel News - which is the only media the Conservative Leader will interact with.

All it takes is gradual shifts in public sentiment for your daughter's best friend to suddenly be a burden on society that needs to be shipped to El Salvador. "f the Americans do it, it must be okay".

We are living next to a borderline fascist state, and our conservative leader, rather than rejecting their style of politics and their sentiments... openly emulates it.

You cannot turn a blind eye to that.

I am so glad Pierre Poilievre was gracious in defeat on Monday.

The fact that we have to even discuss that our expectations of him were to be a sore loser who would call the election rigged is the problem with Pierre Poilievre, and by proxy the Conservative Party that voted him as their leader.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Here’s an idea out of left field. Carney appoints a Calgary Conservative MP to his cabinet, maybe even as natural resources minister. Shows he cares about the West and shuts up Smith.

Edit: I know he would give priority to Alberta LIB MPs but the idea of reaching across the floor is interesting.

stupid idea.
First, I don't think there's a Calgary Conservative MP with the skillset to be a good minister.

second and more importantly, taking that action would only embolden you people, not shut you up.

I already know Carney cares about the west, and all of Canada. He doesn't need to pander to any deplorables out in the west who can't see that. He also doesn't need to pander to the UCP and Smith. Little of what they believe would contribute to the betterment of the country.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by simmer2

I don't track them. Not sure there are any indicators for those.

There will be a lot of newspaper articles out there covering these types of stories.

I also just try to be a good person. Volunteer a bunch, be a good dad, neighbour, husband. Be kind.

I figure if each person tries to do that, we'd be in a good spot.

I'm still hoping for a fiscally conservative, socially liberal government at some point in my life.

I also prefer less government vs more. Govt's role has become too bloated and they're naturally inefficient relative to a business that has to be profitable. Im not offended by it, it's just the nature of bureaucracy.

What work that government is doing would you like to see them doing less of?

[Superflyer]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I was having post golf beers with a friend and his buddy who came to play as a guest at our course Friday before the election.
His buddy starting going off about how everyone better vote conservative, how bad life is under Liberals and where he might have to move to if they win again.

This guy is a very successful mortgage broker, probably makes upper 6 figures per year and is having a cold draft beer, after a round of golf with buddies, sitting on a sunny patio at our country club where membership is $75,000.
A life most people would die for and completely spoiled out of any perspective.
It was a meme worthy experience.

Was your friends friend in a recent conservative TV ad by chance?

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Let me guess, the 'key metric' you follow is GDP Growth per Capita. A stat you'd never heard of until the right wing bots started pushing it heavily 6 months ago.

Huge LOL at trying to paint GDP per capita growth as some right wing metric that's come out of nowhere lately - it's literally one of the most widely used and basic metrics to compare economies. (Actually the metric being used is real GDP per capita growth, but I'm sure this was an honest mistake)

[Ped]

Sounds like PP has enough support to stay on as leader.


Wow. Blows a huge lead and loses his own riding, but definitely worth trying that again.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Ped

Sounds like PP has enough support to stay on as leader.


Wow. Blows a huge lead and loses his own riding, but definitely worth trying that again.

What a joke. The conservatives deserve this bed they've made. If what we've seen over the last 90 days isn't enough of a wake up call that something needs to change, they deserve to toil in mediocrity forever.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

What a joke. The conservatives deserve this bed they've made. If what we've seen over the last 90 days isn't enough of a wake up call that something needs to change, they deserve to toil in mediocrity forever.

But Canada and Canadians don't deserve that, we deserve a party we can actually vote for. This is the result of the selfishness of those ideological driven clowns that have taken over rational Conservatism. They can't reflect deeply on the results because they believe we are the ones who are wrong. Toiling in mediocrity isn't going to do it, they need to be absolutely decimated at the polls, or sidelined by a new Progressive Conservative party.


Otherwise we are just gonna keep doing this until they get into power, like Smith, and then we get to see how stupid the implementation of their stupid their ideas are. ####ing separation and love making with Donald. Ya, top notch ideas, you ####ing dunce.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Ped

Sounds like PP has enough support to stay on as leader.


Wow. Blows a huge lead and loses his own riding, but definitely worth trying that again.

Lol, what a bunch of stubborn idiots. Good luck ever forming government again, ya f'n assclowns.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Ped

Sounds like PP has enough support to stay on as leader.


Wow. Blows a huge lead and loses his own riding, but definitely worth trying that again.

LOL. Carney will make him wait 14 months before he back in the house.

Well this is going to be great. another Lost Liberal Decade! lol

We can put out all the forest fires with rightwing tears.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

Huge LOL at trying to paint GDP per capita growth as some right wing metric that's come out of nowhere lately - it's literally one of the most widely used and basic metrics to compare economies. (Actually the metric being used is real GDP per capita growth, but I'm sure this was an honest mistake)

It is widely used and basic.

However, what has happened lately (last ~5 years) is that the 1% in USA have experienced exponential growth which raises the average of the per-capita growth without accurately describing the change in quality of life for the other 99%. A classic case of a skewed average.

And then the Canadian economy is contrasted with that disingenuously in the last 6 months. When our influx of post secondary students skews the average down in the opposite direction without reflecting the lices of working adults.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

But Canada and Canadians don't deserve that, we deserve a party we can actually vote for. This is the result of the selfishness of those ideological driven clowns that have taken over rational Conservatism. They can't reflect deeply on the results because they believe we are the ones who are wrong. Toiling in mediocrity isn't going to do it, they need to be absolutely decimated at the polls, or sidelined by a new Progressive Conservative party.


Otherwise we are just gonna keep doing this until they get into power, like Smith, and then we get to see how stupid the implementation of their stupid their ideas are. ####ing separation and love making with Donald. Ya, top notch ideas, you ####ing dunce.

I really thought this was being decimated at the polls. To go from being a landslide favourite, to losing the election and your seat in 90 days should be so embarrassing that any rational thinkers should wonder what the #### went wrong. But it looks like you're 100% right that the ideological driven clowns have taken over rational Conservatism.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Lol, what a bunch of stubborn idiots. Good luck ever forming government again, ya f'n assclowns.

This feels a lot like Trump’s first loss to Biden.
And he came back and won again so I'm not sure the conservatives are making the wrong choice (for them, not Canada).

Misinformation will continue to rise, the cult will dig in deeper and any negative effects of Trump’s attack on our economy will get blamed on Carney.
I hope I'm wrong, but I think a lot of conservatives supporters will just go further into the maga pit.

Let's just hope that group isn't large enough to win back government like Trump did.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by simmer2

I don't track them. Not sure there are any indicators for those.

There will be a lot of newspaper articles out there covering these types of stories.

I also just try to be a good person. Volunteer a bunch, be a good dad, neighbour, husband. Be kind.

I figure if each person tries to do that, we'd be in a good spot.

I'm still hoping for a fiscally conservative, socially liberal government at some point in my life.

I also prefer less government vs more. Govt's role has become too bloated and they're naturally inefficient relative to a business that has to be profitable. Im not offended by it, it's just the nature of bureaucracy.

Massive assumption.

Don't get me wrong, i used to assume this too. But it just has not been proven in any way shape or form.

Business "efficiency" allows itself to cut unprofitable operations or actions. This is largely not possible for many government operations. Plus, lets tack on a 20% profit margin, and that efficient business looks like pork barrel to me

[MrButtons]

Big fan of the big dog Dr. Dewald and I think he nailed it https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/co...-collaboration

n terms of federal elections, Quebec offers a compelling case study in how a province can wield significant influence within Canada. In contrast to Alberta’s narrow, one-party voting pattern, Quebec strategically aligns its votes to maximize its leverage. Throughout Canadian history, Quebec has demonstrated a remarkable ability to support different parties depending on which best serves its interests at that time. For example, Brian Mulroney’s Conservative victories in the 1980s were heavily reliant on strong support from Quebec.

In contrast, Alberta sticks to one party, muscles that party to serve its ideal, and then expects the rest of the country to fall in line. We feel Canadians should change to suit us, which is much harder to do (even with sound policy logic).

The current approach of blaming the federal government for all of Alberta’s woes is not only unproductive but also tone-deaf to the rest of the nation since we have among the highest standards of living. Alberta should instead embrace a mindset of collaboration and shared goals.

Let’s be honest, if Alberta were a corporation and the CEO was charged with reaching new markets, their inability to succeed would be the CEO’s failure, and the CEO would be fired. In politics, leaders instead rile up their citizens to find someone else to blame for their shortcomings.

[Yamer]

I do get a kick out of the people that say that they volunteer, are caring, and try to be kind while simultaneously voting in governments that try to erase or deny the existence of vulnerable populations.