Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by belsarius

oooo I know this one!

Carney is very much against the way society currently interacts with the market. He sees the values of the market as overriding the values of people, and how we have become too beholden to monetary prices over actual values. This to me is in direct opposition to the Neoliberal movement of the last 40 years. Many of todays problems, he sees as a result of this over acceptance and overreliance on "the market" as a solution to our woes.

He sees climate change as being the biggest threat to humanity. He feels that we are treading on dangerous ground of today's generation leaving not just the costs of debt, but the costs of our planet. Our consumption of fossil fuels have a cost higher than a carbon tax, but since we are not the ones to bear that cost (our grandchildren will), we are disincentivized to do anything about it.

To combat a threat like this, Carney sees government intervention as a necessity to the market. The government should make up the values of the people, and using those values, guide the market to do our bidding, not do the bidding of the market to increase it's value. The private market has flexibility and agility that governments do not, but they work purely for the profit and value of capital.

He is very much for the way Covid was handled. How people's values of life were tantamount to the pure mathematical reasoning that the market would have placed on it. We, in that moment, sacrificed the economic values for the moral ones to keep people safe.

Neoliberal thought basically said, we can speed up this car if we remove the brakes and the steering wheel.. and the faster the car goes the better. Without thinking of the passengers. Carney's focus is on the passengers and how can we design the car to best suit them. Driving a car is faster than walking (the free market is better than a centralized economy), but it must be tethered and designed to suit out needs.. not just strap us in for the ride.

I probably rambled too much there. But I don't think he is your standard "elitist banker", and the Libertarians on the right should be worried, because he may want to balance the (operational) budget, but he not the man to step aside and let the market reign. At least that's what I've gathered from reading his book and listening to his lectures long before he was part of the government.

Nicely summarized Mr. GPT! I kid because all the spelling errors make it obvious you wrote it. Seriously, though, well done.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Titan2

Nicely summarized Mr. GPT! I kid because all the spelling errors make it obvious you wrote it. Seriously, though, well done.

LOL! Thannks

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I guess the CPC is going to shove PP down Canadians throats one way or another.

That's what she said.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Conservative MP Damien Kurek will resign to trigger a by-election in Battle River—Crowfoot for party leader Pierre Poilievre to run in. This is the safest Conservative seat in Alberta. Kurek was re-elected on Monday with 81.8% of the vote.

https://bsky.app/profile/daveberta.b.../3lo7asxxn622r

Not taking any chances this time

[Duruss]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Conservative MP Damien Kurek will resign to trigger a by-election in Battle River—Crowfoot for party leader Pierre Poilievre to run in. This is the safest Conservative seat in Alberta. Kurek was re-elected on Monday with 81.8% of the vote.

https://bsky.app/profile/daveberta.b.../3lo7asxxn622r

That's hilariously pathetic. Pierre is toxic, Canada rejected him personally. They are clearly hoping voting splitting will win next election.

[Torture]

Prime Minister Mark Carney says he will quickly call a byelection for Conservative Party of Canada Leader Pierre Poilievre as an incoming Alberta MP has announced he’ll step aside.

“I will ensure that it happens as soon as possible … no games, nothing, straight,” Carney told reporters Friday morning when asked about the matter during his first news conference since winning Monday’s election

Classy move by Carney to say that he's going to call a by-election right away for PP.

Now if only Smith would take the same note for Nenshi...

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Firebot

You should certainly let Charlie Angus know that everything is ok in NDP land and that the dental care plan was worth the complete decimation of the party.

He's been raging a bit of late but he needs to be reminded it's the legacy that matters most.

I jest though, the dental plan is definitely a benefit to Canadians in need.

I really DGAF how this effects the NDP if it's good for Canadians.

What kind of a smug ###### do you have to be to see something good happening for Canadians and still go "Lol NDP?"

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I guess the CPC is going to shove PP down Canadians throats one way or another.

I can't imagine Carney allow for Trudeau-like scandals so I'm not exactly sure why they think Canadians will have a change of heart. They must be under the illusion they are really close with PP or maybe they just don't have faith in anyone else in the party to take over.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I really DGAF how this effects the NDP if it's good for Canadians.

What kind of a smug ###### do you have to be to see something good happening for Canadians and still go "Lol NDP?"

I do think it's a good thing for Canadians of low income or without dental plans but $13 billion is a big chunk of change. We just have to hope it's managed properly which is the underlying issue with most of these government programs.

[direwolf]

It’s ridiculous that they can’t find someone better and more serious than PP. FFS, the Cons could run a potato and it would probably win more votes than Pierre. Why the f*** are they sticking with this pathetic loser? It’s absolutely baffling.

[Blaster86]

PP and the CPC love the smell of their own farts too much. They think because a large majority were willing to stand in their stink while the Trudeau-led Liberals were actively ####ting themselves, that a large majority of people like those farts too.

They're creating a fracture in their own party, and while it didn't splinter this election if Carney can lead effectively it will get messy when they run it back.

[Drak]

PP was told by voters to fk off. The Conservative Party needs to come back down to earth and appeal to moderates instead of pushing a Trump on Canada. This isn’t the way.

[MissTeeks]

Did no one watch this clip at the CPC yet?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1918075925553435095

Like, let’s try again with this guy?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

PP and the CPC love the smell of their own farts too much. They think because a large majority were willing to stand in their stink while the Trudeau-led Liberals were actively ####ting themselves, that a large majority of people like those farts too.

They're creating a fracture in their own party, and while it didn't splinter this election if Carney can lead effectively it will get messy when they run it back.

I don't see them getting over the hump as long as the deep routed hardliners still command some power. Maybe it's going to take another decade of failure or some of them moving on for real change. There's mounting evidence over the last four elections that not enough Canadians share their vision. They are like the LA Kings of political parties right now. Beaten four straight times by the same team and simply not good enough with little hope for that to change as currently constructed.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I do think it's a good thing for Canadians of low income or without dental plans but $13 billion is a big chunk of change. We just have to hope it's managed properly which is the underlying issue with most of these government programs.

As a country, we've spent more on less useful programs and tax giveaways. This is the type of thing I'm perfectly okay with the government spending money.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

They are like the LA Kings of political parties right now. Beaten four straight times by the same team and simply not good enough with little hope for that to change as currently constructed.

The Buffalo Bills of Canadian politics.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by direwolf

It’s ridiculous that they can’t find someone better and more serious than PP. FFS, the Cons could run a potato and it would probably win more votes than Pierre. Why the f*** are they sticking with this pathetic loser? It’s absolutely baffling.

Who should they replace him with though? I'm dead serious. Who is the heir apparent? Leslyn Lewis? She's nuts. Patrick Brown? Has no chance. Scott Aitchison? Maybe, I guess... The right answer is probably Doug Ford but obviously he isn't currently interested - maybe in a couple of years.

My immediate reaction is that he should resign as leader once they have a succession plan figured out, but given the polling in the last month or so they should have already been considering this. Yet I have zero clue who is supposed to take the reins next. So I guess it isn't totally crazy to have PP keep the seat warm. He just can't be leader for another election cycle.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I do think it's a good thing for Canadians of low income or without dental plans but $13 billion is a big chunk of change. We just have to hope it's managed properly which is the underlying issue with most of these government programs.

Another option is having a dental guide and enforcing it to drop some of the gouging the industry is doing to Canadians as a whole.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Here’s an idea out of left field. Carney appoints a Calgary Conservative MP to his cabinet, maybe even as natural resources minister. Shows he cares about the West and shuts up Smith.

Edit: I know he would give priority to Alberta LIB MPs but the idea of reaching across the floor is interesting.

Anyone qualify? Honest question. It is actually a good idea, there is someone that is legitimately qualified for it.

[Johnny Makarov]

See how pathetic PP is in the grand scheme of things! lol

Carney will not delay the by-election so he can get the whiny deplorable back in the house asap! PP is great for the Libs.