LeBrun: Flames are looking at every single scenario to try and keep Giordano

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I'm with EE on this one. Treliving makes a deal that send assets to Seattle to keep Giordano, he should be immediately relieved of his duties. This team is so asset poor they can't afford to keep throwing away picks for nothing.

Without knowing what the asset is that's pretty foolish.

If it's a 6th round pick, I'd say Giordano has more value in Calgary, and if things don't go well you up the 6th to a 2nd at worst at the deadline.

but no lets fire him without even knowing what his fantasy asset is in a fantasy trade that hasn't happened.

Solid.

[stang]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

If I was Francis, I would make the Flames think I was taking Gio even if that wasn’t a certainty. I’m not saying this is what’s happening, but it’s possible.

100% they are doing this, they’ve mentioned it for Tampa bay too, but if they really want Kylington, and he’s there guy to pick, they want Flames to pay to protect Gio for sure.

[Toonage]

"a reporter"

Only the guy who has the best track record of breaking Flames news does he not? I wouldn't treat this like it was some one off comment. If he's saying the Flames are kicking their legs below the surface to try and keep Gio thats probably exactly whats happening and why people are concerned that this team may try and meet what this same reporter has called high prices to keep him when they aren't in a spot to pay those prices be it picks, prospects or roster players.

No, nothing has happened yet but I still think there is reason for concern.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Without knowing what the asset is that's pretty foolish.

If it's a 6th round pick, I'd say Giordano has more value in Calgary, and if things don't go well you up the 6th to a 2nd at worst at the deadline.

but no lets fire him without even knowing what his fantasy asset is in a fantasy trade that hasn't happened.

Solid.

Come on man. There's no way it's a 6th rd pick. No way is it worth trading a 2nd, especially with the possible gems in the 2nd round this year.

Gio is at best a 2nd pairing guy this year, it sucks but leaving him exposed or trading him before Saturday is the right move.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Toonage

"a reporter"

Only the guy who has the best track record of breaking Flames news does he not? I wouldn't treat this like it was some one off comment. If he's saying the Flames are kicking their legs below the surface to try and keep Gio thats probably exactly whats happening and why people are concerned that this team may try and meet what this same reporter has called high prices to keep him when they aren't in a spot to pay those prices be it picks, prospects or roster players.

No, nothing has happened yet but I still think there is reason for concern.

The report is he's looking into it.

That's it.

You should want a GM to look into everything.

I don't want big assets moved either ... if that happens I'll be disappointed and get right in line with the frothing at the mouth crew. But it hasn't happened and therefore I'm not really mad at a guy being thorough.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mephisto

Based on the way Murray Edwards runs his other businesses I have a hard time believing he is MIA on this decision. He will make this call like he made the call to sign Neal/Brouwer, trade Iginla, etc.

I have personally witnessed Murray Edwards telling a GM that signing a player was the GM’s call, when the GM called to discuss a potential deal. Direct quote: “It’s your budget. Hell, sign Jagr if you want”. The latter was hyperbole - this was when Jagr was a top player in the league and he wasn’t coming to Calgary.

Edwards runs his businesses largely by delegating to people he feels he can rely on. He knows minute details of the businesses but in general, he’s not hands on.

Now - he may have given general direction that he doesn’t want a blow up, or that he wants the POs for sure. And he may have had a hand in the Sutter decision. But a draft protection list? Nah.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Come on man. There's no way it's a 6th rd pick. No way is it worth trading a 2nd, especially with the possible gems in the 2nd round this year.

Gio is at best a 2nd pairing guy this year, it sucks but leaving him exposed or trading him before Saturday is the right move.

Go back and read my post.

I said it's funny to want a guy fired for moving assets when you don't really know what the assets are in this fantasy world that should generate firings.

The 6th was an example.

The 2nd was what you can get for Giordano, not what the Flames should give up now.

[ah123]

I would like the to see the Flames trade Tanev and keep Gio (for now). He has exceeded everyone’s expectations and I fully expect him to be worse next year. Trade Tanev now, sign another D, and trade Gio at the TDL. Probably easier said than done…

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ah123

I would like the to see the Flames trade Tanev and keep Gio (for now). He has exceeded everyone’s expectations and I fully expect him to be worse next year. Trade Tanev now, sign another D, and trade Gio at the TDL. Probably easier said than done…

Why would Tanev be worse next year? He is our best D man, if the goal is to try and compete next year there is no way you trade Tanev.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Without knowing what the asset is that's pretty foolish.

If it's a 6th round pick, I'd say Giordano has more value in Calgary, and if things don't go well you up the 6th to a 2nd at worst at the deadline.

but no lets fire him without even knowing what his fantasy asset is in a fantasy trade that hasn't happened.

Solid.

Seattle most certainly isn't asking for a 6th here...

Seattle is still going to be picking a player, if it's not Giordano, it's going to be someone like Backlund.

Backlund + whatever will be used in a side deal is worth more to the Flames currently than Giordano IMO.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ah123

I would like the to see the Flames trade Tanev and keep Gio (for now). He has exceeded everyone’s expectations and I fully expect him to be worse next year. Trade Tanev now, sign another D, and trade Gio at the TDL. Probably easier said than done…

The only just signed Tanev, he has a 10 team NTC, he only makes $4.5M and he is one of the best defensive Dmen in the league. He hasn’t been part of the underperforming core group. I’d keep him even if the Flames were in a complete rebuild.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Seattle most certainly isn't asking for a 6th here...

Seattle is still going to be picking a player, if it's not Giordano, it's going to be someone like Backlund.

Backlund + whatever will be used in a side deal is worth more to the Flames currently than Giordano IMO.

Why would there be a + to the side deal? Just offer them Backlund to not take Gio. Then after this year Gio can retire a Flame and you have dumped two big contracts that are better served off the books.

[Geeoff]

I have a feeling this expansion draft is gonna be a rough one for the Flames

[Buff]

It's out there. It's public knowledge. The Flames are looking into every avenue possible to keep Giordano.

If they don't keep him he doesn't get blindsided by the Flames lack of interest. The interest was there but they couldn't get it done. No hard feelings, or at least less hard feelings. Business is business and Gio understands that. At the end of the day you have to do what is best for the business and if they couldn't keep Gio, at least Gio will know that it wasn't a personal decision.

Ryan Suter is mad and bitter at Minnesota. Gio would just be sad at Calgary if he isn't a Flame at the end of July 21.

[howard_the_duck]

You’d swear this team is a dynasty for how much they look to keep the core together.

[Mull]

Sorry if this is buried in this thread. Gio has a limited NTC, how come we don't have to protect him? Only NMC need protection?

[the_only_turek_fan]

I have a sentimental attachment to Gio and I for one hope he stays.

I want him to get the send off he deserves at the end of the season in a Calgary jersey.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Another scenario I have thought is if the Flames make a hockey deal with Seattle for one of their protected players be it Monahan, Backlund, Valimaki.

For instance.

Seattle selects Jake Bean from Carlolina.

The Flames trade Sean Monahan for Jake Bean with the additional agreement that Seattle selects Kylington in the draft.

On the surface Monahan+Kylington for Bean is a brutal trade but the fact Gio is protected needs to be considered. Replace Monahan with Backlund or even Dube but I can see a scenario where they make a deal that includes protecting Gio but not simply sending picks and prospects to keep him

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

No the idea is you trade the player to the team
who uses that slot to protect the player
and then trades him back

Not trading the slot itself.

Except that NHL guidelines say that you cannot reacquire a player you traded away within that season. So you would not be getting the player back until next summer.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

I have a sentimental attachment to Gio and I for one hope he stays.

I want him to get the send off he deserves at the end of the season in a Calgary jersey.

This type of stuff is nice, but I wonder if it really pays dividends to long term success.

I agree how an organization treats their players helps attract UFA, which helps success, but I doubt an expansion draft is going to hurt our reputation.

For fan emotion reasons, and the possibly of a good trade at next year deadline, I could see a low level draft pick being thrown towards Seattle.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Man this organization is getting increasingly harder to support. This is why Treliving should have been let go. This is already an asset poor organization largely due to his mismanagement and he's looking at going back to the well one more time for a single year of a soon to be 38 year old defenseman. SMH.

The blame goes higher than Treliving. It seems pretty clear to me that the mandate from ownership is to win now.