LeBrun: Flames are looking at every single scenario to try and keep Giordano

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

You have people who HAVE suggested the Flames should do what they can to move on from Gio because under his leadership they have won nothing. That is an opinion that has been stated.

The expiring contract is an advantage in these cases.
If Nick Foligno can get a 1st, I think Gio could.

I can almost guarantee if they are trying to make a deal to keep Gio, it’s not so they can try and get more for him at deadline. It will be for trying to make playoffs. They are not an elite team but they have enough talent to battle with the bubble teams.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

By ONE person who is universally reviled for his awful takes. JFC.



Agree to disagree. We heard this argument over and under with Paul Gaustad and Barclay Goodrow. When was the last time a player in Gio's position garnered a significant return at the time it was announced?

More than one but that's ok.
And I'm not suggesting he gets you a first now. I'm saying he could at the TDL.

[Ashasx]

Do the Flames face any penalties if Gio comes out and says "I will retire if selected by Seattle", even if it is fake threat?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I can almost guarantee if they are trying to make a few to keep Gio, it’s not so they can try and get more for him at deadline. It will be for trying to make playoffs. They are not an elite team but they have enough talent to battle with the bubble teams.

And that's the risk I see too. I see keeping him as an asset play but there's also a chance they are a bubble team and therefore don't move him.

Again what I've said is the math should be

What is he worth this season to the team+value at the deadline
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What you have to give up to get him + the player they take instead

So if the math is
Give up a 3rd
They take Kylington
Keep Gio
Flip him at the TDL

I'm down with that. But I also know that it may not play out like that.

[Royle9]

"we need to change the makeup in the room, something has to give" Brad at the end of the 2020 season.

Offseason Brad - Does everything to keep Gio on the team, resign Johnny and rehab Monahan.

Keep on keeping on Flames.
My god this Franchise just cant get it right, decades of mediocrity.
If we go into next season with the same core I'm certainly not forking over the cash to see them live and likely will reduce what I do watch.

Tired of this core being given endless chances.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Royle9

"we need to change the makeup in the room, something has to give" Brad at the end of the 2020 season.

Offseason Brad - Does everything to keep Gio on the team, resign Johnny and rehab Monahan.

It would be so much better if he didn't even explore the idea of keeping Giordano, traded Gaudreau in a hurry for pennies on the dollar, and dumped Monahan for nothing before even seeing how well he recovers from surgery. Gosh, I wish our GM was smart enough to see things your way!

[dammage79]

Let's sleuth this out, which teams have an open protection slot for a d man? Which teams need a d man and have the cap space?

What's the premium for the Flames to retain some salary to facilitate a deal?

Can't be too hard to identify which teams could be an option for gio. Depending on how his NTC is made.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

More than one but that's ok.
And I'm not suggesting he gets you a first now. I'm saying he could at the TDL.

And I'm saying history says there's no way the return, even at the TDL, is that high. Not with the 2022 and 2023 drafts looking the way they are.

My personal opinion is that this is a decion not motivated by what they could receive for Gio at the TDL, but by the Flames' irrational belief that you should go for it every year, even though the results say you are not a good team.

I don't even want to rub this in as a "ha ha told you so" down the road, because obviously the odds are heavily in favour of the Flames going nowhere. I just wish the organization was more intellectually honest about where it's at in the competitive landscape and made moves accordingly.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Is there a team who might benefit from a trading for short-term veteran d-man?

[Calgary4LIfe]

I should hope that this organization is exploring every option to retain him.


He is their best defencemen. He is also the captain.


With that being said, it sure sounds like the Flames have been met with a price that they don't like. There is a wide gap between: "that is too much to retain him" and "don't spend any assets on retaining him". If the price makes sense, keep him. We have seen this organization spend assets on players at the trade deadline who didn't move the needle and then went on to UFA for nothing the following season. There is no way the Flames limp into next season with the defence last season minus Giordano without adding anything else. If they do that, then they better just rebuild as a crap defence isn't going to get them anywhere. It was crap last season, and without Giordano it is even worse.


Good on the Flames to explore all options and figure out how to best manage this asset. If it is too expensive, and they can't trade him, and they can't buy him out and re-sign him later, or work something else out, then fine. To not try would be idiotic. Set your price and live with it. It isn't like Giordano is worth nothing. He has value. How much is the question.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Is this the thread where we over-react to things that haven't happened yet and try to fire the GM for things he hasn't done?
This is that thread right?

Actually Jiri I wanted him fired for many of his transgressions over his 7 year tenure with the team. All this does is reinforce my position.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

I forsee lots of salty comments in this thread...

I tried to poop out of indignation but only managed a weak fart.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

And I'm saying history says there's no way the return, even at the TDL, is that high. Not with the 2022 and 2023 drafts looking the way they are.

My personal opinion is that this is a decion not motivated by what they could receive for Gio at the TDL, but by the Flames' irrational belief that you should go for it every year, even though the results say you are not a good team.

I don't even want to rub this in as a "ha ha told you so" down the road, because obviously the odds are heavily in favour of the Flames going nowhere. I just wish the organization was more intellectually honest about where it's at in the competitive landscape and made moves accordingly.

What did the Leafs pay for Foligno?

[bubbsy]

Classic flames...

This franchise won't ever win anything ever.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

There is a lot of risk that we end up with nothing (injury, keep him for playoff push).

There is also the opportunity cost of what could be done with that cap space.




Hopefully this...and driving up the price for other teams to play stupid games.

Yup, those are the risks, I’ve outlined them myself. Or the market might be a lot lower than expected.

I’m not advocating a deal. I’m just not dismissing it outright.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Classic flames...

This franchise won't ever win anything ever.

Not sure that is possible considering they have won the Stanley Cup.

[topfiverecords]

Habs need a defenseman now that Weber is going to LTIR.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Actually Jiri I wanted him fired for many of his transgressions over his 7 year tenure with the team. All this does is reinforce my position.

I was done with Treliving a couple seasons ago. Wish he'd prove me wrong.

Some posters need a decade thrown away. They'll likely get their wish.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

And I'm saying history says there's no way the return, even at the TDL, is that high. Not with the 2022 and 2023 drafts looking the way they are.

My personal opinion is that this is a decion not motivated by what they could receive for Gio at the TDL, but by the Flames' irrational belief that you should go for it every year, even though the results say you are not a good team.

I don't even want to rub this in as a "ha ha told you so" down the road, because obviously the odds are heavily in favour of the Flames going nowhere. I just wish the organization was more intellectually honest about where it's at in the competitive landscape and made moves accordingly.

The 2022 and 2023 draft have strength at the top - it doesn't really impact late 1sts that will be in play at the deadline.

As for rubbing my face in something you think you told me - i don't even know what that means.

I know what this franchise is. I've been a fan for over 40 years.

But I choose not to wallow in misery but instead take enjoyment in thinking about what could be possible.

But your way sounds like oodles of fun too. Being miserable and than telling everyone you were right. Wheeee!

[Vinny01]

Another scenario I have thought is if the Flames make a hockey deal with Seattle for one of their protected players be it Monahan, Backlund, Valimaki.

For instance.

Seattle selects Jake Bean from Carlolina.

The Flames trade Sean Monahan for Jake Bean with the additional agreement that Seattle selects Kylington in the draft.

On the surface Monahan+Kylington for Bean is a brutal trade but the fact Gio is protected needs to be considered. Replace Monahan with Backlund or even Dube but I can see a scenario where they make a deal that includes protecting Gio but not simply sending picks and prospects to keep him