LeBrun: Flames are looking at every single scenario to try and keep Giordano

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Of all the things mentioned here that might happen, the Flames trading Gio at the deadline is one of the least likely IMO.

If Jarome Iginla can be traded at the deadline, certainly Mark Giordano can as well.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Of all the things mentioned here that might happen, the Flames trading Gio at the deadline is one of the least likely IMO.

Well, for sure it depends on their position at the time, but if they are out of it I think it would be pretty likely.

[SuperMatt18]

I could see a situation where Gio is traded at the deadline if the flames are out of it and the potentially re-signs here.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I'm with EE on this one. Treliving makes a deal that send assets to Seattle to keep Giordano, he should be immediately relieved of his duties. This team is so asset poor they can't afford to keep throwing away picks for nothing.

[SebC]

It's nice that Gio's deal that some were predicting would become an albatross is almost done and it seems he still has positive value.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

They are two different negotiations. Seattle is just doing a bunch of minor deals and getting what they can. The cap hit is completely different as well. Plus they get a player like Kylington anyway.

Kylington has next to no value and the cap hit will not be a concern for a team that is probably not overly worried about exceeding the cap in year one. What Seattle can get is Giordano, who they can probably move for more than a 3rd round pick. Not sure why Francis would take an inferior offer from the Flames so he could get Kylington.

[bluejays]

It's stating the obvious, but it comes down to cost. In my mind Gio, at this stage of career, with his salary on a cap constrained team, should be happy that Seattle takes him. If they value his leadership, maybe it's worth a 5th rounder to keep him. Anything more and I think the Flames management should be fired immediately. Nice knowing Gio all these years but he's aging fast with a salary hit of year. There shouldn't be any emotional attachment in doing the right thing for the long term benefit of the TEAM.

[GirlySports]

Is there a poll on who CP thinks Seattle will take. I think this is all moot, Ryan and Lucic are ahead of Gio on the preferred list. Unless there are not enough good D exposed by the other teams.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Is there a poll on who CP thinks Seattle will take. I think this is all moot, Ryan and Lucic are ahead of Gio on the preferred list. Unless there are not enough good D exposed by the other teams.

huh?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I am sure that protection slots can not be traded.

And wouldn’t the league have issue with a trade that has a secret condition attached to it that is not specified in the trade itself? You’re essentially talking about loaning a player which I assume you can’t do. Would be handy if you ever needed someone to beat a rival.

No the idea is you trade the player to the team
who uses that slot to protect the player
and then trades him back

Not trading the slot itself.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

huh?

Derek Ryan is from Washington, he's a centerman, has experience and is not 38. And Lucic is a big presence and toughness that an expansion team needs. He might have been the best Flame this year behind Mang.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Derek Ryan is from Washington, he's a centerman, has experience and is not 38.

I like Ryan and the local connection is neat, but I still take Gio over him easily.

Even if it's strictly an asset management point of view with Gio, Seattle gets a good leader to start their franchise off then flips him at the deadline for a late 1st

[Calgary4LIfe]

I would be surprised if Ryan is re-signed by the Flames. He may very well end up in Seattle after the UFA season opens, or somewhere else. All dependent on how willing he is to sign here (at a reduced price).


I would prefer a larger 4th liner though, and I can't see him moving up the lineup other than an injury bug.


Giordano is the no-brainer here. The only player with value to be exposed.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, for sure it depends on their position at the time, but if they are out of it I think it would be pretty likely.

I highly doubt this team is so far out of it, they throw in the towel at the deadline.

Who would be the GM in that scenario?

[868904]

So go 4 defense.

Apparently the Flames forwards suck anyways, according to this board:

- Monahan sucks, year over year decline, trending below replacement level, has no value;
- Backlund's contract sucks, worst in the league, and he only scores 50 points every year even while playing with plugs last year.

Why do we need to protect 7 forwards? Lindholm, Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Mangiapane. All 4 of these forwards can garner at least a 1st at the deadline, just like Gio. Everyone else sucks, no need to protect them.

Seattle won't take Monahan and Backlund cause they SUCK! Monahan and Backlund couldn't get you 7th round picks at the deadline.

Draft picks are currency right? If you can't get a 1st round pick at the deadline for a player, expose him.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

No the idea is you trade the player to the team
who uses that slot to protect the player
and then trades him back

Not trading the slot itself.

But according to anyone with a valid opinion Gio is surely worth a 1st plus at the TDL?

How could another team give up such an opportunity?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

No the idea is you trade the player to the team
who uses that slot to protect the player
and then trades him back

Not trading the slot itself.

That's exactly what you are doing.m You're only just trading the slot.

That or you are loaning the player which I'm quite sure you can't do either

What you are outlining is not really two separate trades.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I like Ryan and the local connection is neat, but I still take Gio over him easily.

Even if it's strictly an asset management point of view with Gio, Seattle gets a good leader to start their franchise off then flips him at the deadline for a late 1st

Gio is not worth a 1st. Especially if he gets exposed on an expansion team for 60 games.Is he going to play 25 minutes a night? He'll be -100.

[Aarongavey]

If Vegas was able to flip a 4.9 million a year for the next two years Marc Methot for a 2nd rounder and a prospect, I am sure the Kraken can get at least that for a former Norris Trophy winner who has produced at about a 40 point a year pace for the last two years and is only under contract for one year. The idea that they would take a 3rd and Kylington instead of taking Giordano and flipping him for more the next day or keeping him and flipping him at the deadline is not very realistic. If the Flames want to keep Giordano they will need to pony up more than a 3rd round pick.

[getoverit]

Well if we want to shake up the core as suggested starts with Gio. Time for new chapter. I do prefer we ship him before hand that is someone on his list and get an asset back and let out competitor with scraps to pick from