Tracking the anti-LBGTQ+ movement

[fotze2]

Just one genital?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Just one genital?

Look, man, he's a doctor, not a rocket surgeon. We can't expect him to know these sorts of details.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

How many of those surgeries do you think there was Dr?

Originally Posted by Itse

The reason there is no evidence of effectiveness of gender-affirming surgery on minors is because it's not something that is done basically ever, anywhere in the world.

https://twitter.com/user/status/2020981152253722841

“Thousands of american girls have had elective mastectomies as part of gender-transition treatment. Between 2016 and 2020, according to the Journal of the American Medical Association, 3,215 mastectomies, 405 genital surgeries and 350 other gender-related procedures were carried out on 12- to 18-year-olds of both sexes; the true number is sure to be higher”

[kipperiggy]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

https://twitter.com/user/status/2020981152253722841

“Thousands of american girls have had elective mastectomies as part of gender-transition treatment. Between 2016 and 2020, according to the Journal of the American Medical Association, 3,215 mastectomies, 405 genital surgeries and 350 other gender-related procedures were carried out on 12- to 18-year-olds of both sexes; the true number is sure to be higher”

Critics say the evidence for them is shoddy—and predict a flood of medical-malpractice lawsuits.

Lawsuits have been filed by more than two dozen other detransitioners.

Out of 3,970 surgeries, 25 lawsuits or 0.6% of patients is some kind of flood.

I wonder how this lawsuit rate compares to other medical procedures, particularly in the USA?

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by kipperiggy

Out of 3,970 surgeries, 25 lawsuits or 0.6% of patients is some kind of flood.

What you quoted there did not say that there has been a flood. It said that they predict a flood - in the future.

[PepsiFree]

There probably won't be a "flood" considering the vast majority of those surgeries are not related to transitioning. 97% of chest reduction surgeries on teens between the ages of 12 and 18 were carried out on cisgender males.

Gender-affirming surgeries are more commonly performed on cisgender people regardless of age. Transitioning or a diagnosis of TGD accounts for a very, very small amount of those situations.

You can argue that you don't think teenagers should be having elective surgeries, if you want. But I assume that wouldn't satisfy the particular needs of those desperate to focus on transgender people.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

There probably won't be a "flood" considering the vast majority of those surgeries are not related to transitioning. 97% of chest reduction surgeries on teens between the ages of 12 and 18 were carried out on cisgender males.

Gender-affirming surgeries are more commonly performed on cisgender people regardless of age. Transitioning or a diagnosis of TGD accounts for a very, very small amount of those situations.

You can argue that you don't think teenagers should be having elective surgeries, if you want. But I assume that wouldn't satisfy the particular needs of those desperate to focus on transgender people.

Yeah,

The number of trans children getting top surgeries every year is in the low double digits (all of which are done on children above 16 AND who have been socially transitioned for several years, AND have full support of their parents and doctors), and the number of trans children getting bottom surgeries is zero.

The economist's article gets the number for all surgeries of a type, which is mostly done on cis males.

Detransitioner's stories are amplified, due to the political nature of this topic, the percentage of people who don't like the resutls of surgery is less than 1% - and the majority of THAT is people for which "for THEM" the stigma of being trans was worse than the gender dysphoria. The amount of people who really regret transitioning because they think it was the wrong choice is very low.

Unfortunately, as with everything medical, there are a few people who slip through the cracks, and receive care without the proper medical and mental health checks. That problem is solved by eliminating the cracks, NOT the system as it is designed to work. You eliminate the system, and you have way more people doing unregulated stuff.

[woob]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

“Thousands of american girls have had elective mastectomies as part of gender-transition treatment. Between 2016 and 2020, according to the Journal of the American Medical Association, 3,215 mastectomies, 405 genital surgeries and 350 other gender-related procedures were carried out on 12- to 18-year-olds of both sexes; the true number is sure to be higher”

What a useless quote, with of course a dramatic ampllifier on the end.

[opendoor]

I believe the ~3.7K surgeries for 12-18 year olds in that study is supposed to refer only to transgender patients. Basically, they used diagnosis codes to filter patients to include only those with a history of gender dysphoria or sex reassignment.

But there are some caveats with that number:

1) It's over 5 years, so an average of under 750 per year which isn't particularly high in a country of 330 million people.

2) Some surgeries would naturally be unrelated to gender-affirming care. For instance, an 18 year old having a medically necessary hysterectomy would appear in that sample if they had any history of gender dysphoria/disorder. Similarly, a 12-18 year old female who had a history of gender dysphoria who then had a mammaplasty (breast reduction or augmentation) would appear in these numbers, even if they were cisgender and no longer identified as transgender. Because we're dealing with pretty tiny numbers relative to the population at large, it doesn't take a lot of unique cases like that to really skew things.

[DownInFlames]

There's no reason to bring up that the shooter is trans except to lay blame on their gender for the shooting. Until I see facts that prove what caused them to kill innocent kids I'm just going to keep my thoughts focused on the victims.




edit; wrong thread but still relevent

[Doctorfever]

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/maj...affirming-care

Opinion column.

Recently, two major American medical groups endorsed age restrictions on gender-related surgeries, marking a dramatic shift in a debate long dominated by claims of consensus. First, the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS) issued a policy statement firmly opposing “gender-affirming” surgeries for people under 19. Then, the American Medical Association (AMA) signalled its support. These pivots deal a significant blow to Canadian activists and politicians who rely on the supposed professional consensus to defend these highly contested, unproven treatments for youth.

The ASPS, the professional association that represents the majority of plastic surgeons in the U.S. and Canada, now recommends that “surgeons delay gender-related breast/chest, genital, and facial surgery until a patient is at least 19 years old.” The group cites the numerous systematic reviews conducted in recent years that have all found only low to very low quality evidence to support these interventions. This development is highly relevant for Canada, given that national data confirms that these surgeries have already been performed on hundreds of minors.

After more than a decade of the field of pediatric gender medicine being guided by ideological narratives, the nine-page ASPS statement is a veritable breath of fresh air — a much-needed return to respect for evidence-based medicine, developmental science and the traditional ethical principles of beneficence (promoting health) and non-maleficence (avoiding harm). It’s a timely one, too, coming just days after a jury in New York State awarded a young woman $2 million in damages for a “gender-affirming” mastectomy performed on her as a teenager, which she said left her disfigured. Other malpractice cases of this kind are currently moving through U.S. courts.

Importantly, the ASPS statement draws a sharp distinction between breast reduction or gynecomastia surgery (to reduce enlarged male breast tissue), which treat physical conditions, and “gender-affirming” mastectomies or breast implants, which rest on predicting future identity and shifting “embodiment goals.”

Undoubtedly, this course correction will be difficult. Innocent young people have been, and continue to be, harmed because every major medical association abandoned scientific and ethical principles, instead allowing small activist committees to craft policy based on ideology rather than evidence. This resulted in a cascade of confusion, with governments, media, well-meaning citizens and, worst of all, parents of trans-identified youth trusting that the experts were relying on solid science when they were relying on solid science when they were not.

The truth is that wilful blindness has always been the essential ingredient in this scandal. It can only continue as long as everyone agrees not to look too closely. Nowhere is that more evident than in Canada, where, aside from Alberta, the experiment marches on unabated. When Canadian medical associations finally find the courage to do what the ASPS has done and subject this protocol to genuine scientific scrutiny, there will be only one possible conclusion: it cannot be allowed to continue.

[opendoor]

These pivots deal a significant blow to Canadian activists and politicians who rely on the supposed professional consensus to defend these highly contested, unproven treatments for youth.

Yeah, no one serious is relying on US professional consensus for guidance in these kinds of things at this point. The organizations are either led by hardcore Trump supporters (as in the ASPS) or they're trying to walk the line to avoid getting targeted by the administration.

And ultimately, the AMA's position is basically the same as it has ever been; namely that gender affirming surgery for trans youth should generally be deferred into adulthood, which is why it's so rare.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Opinion column.

You just can’t leave them alone eh?

[Fuzz]

The obsession is so weird.

[ResAlien]

Is it weird to anyone else that these guys are so laser focused on children's genitalia?

[Fuzz]

They just really really really derply care about other people's children.

[calgarygeologist]

[Doctorfever]

I don’t know. Guess I’m just not ok with letting a percentage ‘slip through the cracks’.

Every.
Single.
Person.
Matters.

We shouldn’t be ok with a percentage of people that regret things that have irreversible effects. This is not about numbers or percentages.

These are people. Getting one wrong is one too many.

[ZedMan]

Guess it's time to cancel all transplant and replacement surgeries as well, then. Because every one of those have a percentage of people who regret them. After all, as you said, getting one wrong is too many.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by ZedMan

Guess it's time to cancel all transplant and replacement surgeries as well, then. Because every one of those have a percentage of people who regret them. After all, as you said, getting one wrong is too many.

Do you believe that is the same thing? You want to cancel heart transplants because they don’t work out 100 percent of the time. And that’s the same as gender related surgery in minors?

I must be missing something here?