Tracking the anti-LBGTQ+ movement

[MRCboicgy]

Well, to be fair, those really aren't the children they want alive - you know, the different ones.


Ghouls.

[Doctorfever]

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...-19-rcna257607

The country’s largest professional organization for plastic surgeons recommended that gender-affirming surgery be delayed until patients turn 19, changing its stance on the politically charged issue.

The American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS) said Tuesday that it found “insufficient evidence” that the benefits of chest, genital and facial surgery on minors experiencing gender dysphoria outweigh the risks. It leaned on two recent and heavily debated publications on the topic, the Cass Review by a senior doctor in England and a 2025 report issued by the Department of Health and Human Services.

Late Wednesday, the American Medical Association said it agreed with the surgeons’ society in part but stopped short of saying surgery should be deferred to adulthood in all cases.

“Currently, the evidence for gender-affirming surgical intervention in minors is insufficient for us to make a definitive statement,” the group said in a statement. “In the absence of clear evidence, the AMA agrees with ASPS that surgical interventions in minors should be generally deferred to adulthood.”

Pumping the brakes a little on sex changes in children.

[puffnstuff]

How many of those surgeries do you think there was Dr?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

How many of those surgeries do you think there was Dr?

Why is the number of the surgeries relevant?

[Fuzz]

You sure are on top of the news here.

[ResAlien]

I'm beginning to suspect this doctorfever character may not be an actual doctor.

[Senator Clay Davis]

To be fair he does have a PhD in trolling from Trump University which surely counts for something.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

“In the absence of clear evidence, the AMA agrees with ASPS that surgical interventions in minors should be generally deferred to adulthood.”

So with clear evidence, sometimes surgical intervention can occur. The Dr. is going woke.

[PepsiFree]

I’m confident Yamer’s well regarded remark to DrF applies in pretty much any topic he weighs in on, so I’d like to echo it here.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I’m confident Yamer’s well regarded remark to DrF applies in pretty much any topic he weighs in on, so I’d like to echo it here.

Is it around being a kunt?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Is it around being a kunt?

Something much less admired!

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

“In the absence of clear evidence, the AMA agrees with ASPS that surgical interventions in minors should be generally deferred to adulthood.”

So with clear evidence, sometimes surgical intervention can occur. The Dr. is going woke.

It’s the way it should be. There is nothing woke about it.

“Currently, the evidence for gender-affirming surgical intervention in minors is insufficient for us to make a definitive statement,” the group said in a statement. “In the absence of clear evidence, the AMA agrees with ASPS that surgical interventions in minors should be generally deferred to adulthood.”

Other major medical associations noted that current guidelines already call for caution around surgery for minors.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Something much less admired!

Really not the thread for such crass comments.

[GranteedEV]

Why do we care about plastic surgeons' opinions exactly?

Gender affirming care for kids is typically counselling and puberty blockers (to... prevent needing plastic surgery in the future).

Once kids on puberty blockers are adults, they get hormone therapy (to... prevent needing plastic surgery in the future)

Sometimes trans adults do elect to have bottom or top surgery, which itself is an expensive elective procedure, and not one that kids are guided towards.

That it's even being discussed is hateful rhetoric.

[MRCboicgy]

Ugh, yes, for anyone who's actually - I don't know - grown up with trans friends and walked next to them through their transition, it was never the case. Personally, I have had two close friends go through the process in Alberta, one he started when he was 15, and the other as an adult after our college years. For both it was the same, and it takes a long while. And being trans doesn't mean having surgery either, as another close friend of mine who moved to Montreal decided with her partner and doctor.

Here's the thing - we shouldn't be talking about anyone's surgery unless they bring it up. It should be between them and their doctor, not them, their doctor, and their MLA or "concerned citizen just asking questions"

These wackos think any kid who brings up being trans gets put on the surgery list. It's just not the case and that's common across regions, unless there is a valid immediate medical necessity.


So that makes 3 close friends for whom I've had a front row seat to their transition, who brought me in because of trust and love. For the rest of y'all, how many people have you had that experience? If the answer is zero, sit this one out.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Really not the thread for such crass comments.

Really? I thought it was pretty kind and generous, all things considered.

Leave kids alone.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

It’s the way it should be. There is nothing woke about it.

The reason there is no evidence of effectiveness of gender-affirming surgery on minors is because it's not something that is done basically ever, anywhere in the world.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Itse

The reason there is no evidence of effectiveness of gender-affirming surgery on minors is because it's not something that is done basically ever, anywhere in the world.

Okay, actually that's not exactly true, but the reality of gender-affirming surgery is basically the opposite of what transphobes pretend to believe in.

https://www.opensocietyfoundations.o...ery-on-infants

By far the most common type of gender surgery is done on intersex infants, often newborn babies, to remove non-binary or non-standard genitalia. Usually doctors try to create a typical looking vagina, because it's easier than making a penis. This can include removing the childs testicles, resulting in sterilization.

These operations are considered routine, they are done all over the world, and doctors often perform them without consulting the parents, or even properly informing them on what was actually done.

genital reshaping surgeries often don’t work out as planned. They can cause lifelong physical and psychological pain, scarring, lost sexual sensation, and many other problems. Sometimes the procedures also involve involuntary sterilization. Sometimes the child rejects the gender assignment, and these surgeries are not reversible. Intersex adults who have lived through these procedures argue that only the affected person can decide whether to take on these risks, and they believe—like the study’s results conclude—that genital reshaping surgery should not be done until the child is old enough to participate in the decision-making process.

So in the real world, opposing the most common type of gender-affecting surgeries on minors is the on the woke agenda. (They are of course not really gender-affirning, as the person operated on is typically too young to have a gender identity that could be affirmed.)

The wokes want to stop these surgeries on babies, while transphobes and homophobes are generally strongly for this. Among other reasons because their ideology is incompatible with the existence of intersex people, so they must be for their erasure even when it directly contradicts their other talking points.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Really? I thought it was pretty kind and generous, all things considered.

Leave kids alone.

I really don’t think this is the thread to be talking about admiration or lack thereof for female genital.

As for you the leave the kids alone comment, I couldn’t agree more! Did you steal that from Caitlyn Jenner?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I really don’t think this is the thread to be talking about admiration or lack thereof for female genital.

As for you the leave the kids alone comment, I couldn’t agree more! Did you steal that from Caitlyn Jenner?

So then leave them alone you weird pervert.