Tracking the anti-LBGTQ+ movement

[fotze2]

Just one genital?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Just one genital?

Look, man, he's a doctor, not a rocket surgeon. We can't expect him to know these sorts of details.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

How many of those surgeries do you think there was Dr?

Originally Posted by Itse

The reason there is no evidence of effectiveness of gender-affirming surgery on minors is because it's not something that is done basically ever, anywhere in the world.

https://twitter.com/user/status/2020981152253722841

“Thousands of american girls have had elective mastectomies as part of gender-transition treatment. Between 2016 and 2020, according to the Journal of the American Medical Association, 3,215 mastectomies, 405 genital surgeries and 350 other gender-related procedures were carried out on 12- to 18-year-olds of both sexes; the true number is sure to be higher”

[kipperiggy]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

https://twitter.com/user/status/2020981152253722841

“Thousands of american girls have had elective mastectomies as part of gender-transition treatment. Between 2016 and 2020, according to the Journal of the American Medical Association, 3,215 mastectomies, 405 genital surgeries and 350 other gender-related procedures were carried out on 12- to 18-year-olds of both sexes; the true number is sure to be higher”

Critics say the evidence for them is shoddy—and predict a flood of medical-malpractice lawsuits.

Lawsuits have been filed by more than two dozen other detransitioners.

Out of 3,970 surgeries, 25 lawsuits or 0.6% of patients is some kind of flood.

I wonder how this lawsuit rate compares to other medical procedures, particularly in the USA?

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by kipperiggy

Out of 3,970 surgeries, 25 lawsuits or 0.6% of patients is some kind of flood.

What you quoted there did not say that there has been a flood. It said that they predict a flood - in the future.

[PepsiFree]

There probably won't be a "flood" considering the vast majority of those surgeries are not related to transitioning. 97% of chest reduction surgeries on teens between the ages of 12 and 18 were carried out on cisgender males.

Gender-affirming surgeries are more commonly performed on cisgender people regardless of age. Transitioning or a diagnosis of TGD accounts for a very, very small amount of those situations.

You can argue that you don't think teenagers should be having elective surgeries, if you want. But I assume that wouldn't satisfy the particular needs of those desperate to focus on transgender people.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

There probably won't be a "flood" considering the vast majority of those surgeries are not related to transitioning. 97% of chest reduction surgeries on teens between the ages of 12 and 18 were carried out on cisgender males.

Gender-affirming surgeries are more commonly performed on cisgender people regardless of age. Transitioning or a diagnosis of TGD accounts for a very, very small amount of those situations.

You can argue that you don't think teenagers should be having elective surgeries, if you want. But I assume that wouldn't satisfy the particular needs of those desperate to focus on transgender people.

Yeah,

The number of trans children getting top surgeries every year is in the low double digits (all of which are done on children above 16 AND who have been socially transitioned for several years, AND have full support of their parents and doctors), and the number of trans children getting bottom surgeries is zero.

The economist's article gets the number for all surgeries of a type, which is mostly done on cis males.

Detransitioner's stories are amplified, due to the political nature of this topic, the percentage of people who don't like the resutls of surgery is less than 1% - and the majority of THAT is people for which "for THEM" the stigma of being trans was worse than the gender dysphoria. The amount of people who really regret transitioning because they think it was the wrong choice is very low.

Unfortunately, as with everything medical, there are a few people who slip through the cracks, and receive care without the proper medical and mental health checks. That problem is solved by eliminating the cracks, NOT the system as it is designed to work. You eliminate the system, and you have way more people doing unregulated stuff.

[woob]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

“Thousands of american girls have had elective mastectomies as part of gender-transition treatment. Between 2016 and 2020, according to the Journal of the American Medical Association, 3,215 mastectomies, 405 genital surgeries and 350 other gender-related procedures were carried out on 12- to 18-year-olds of both sexes; the true number is sure to be higher”

What a useless quote, with of course a dramatic ampllifier on the end.

[opendoor]

I believe the ~3.7K surgeries for 12-18 year olds in that study is supposed to refer only to transgender patients. Basically, they used diagnosis codes to filter patients to include only those with a history of gender dysphoria or sex reassignment.

But there are some caveats with that number:

1) It's over 5 years, so an average of under 750 per year which isn't particularly high in a country of 330 million people.

2) Some surgeries would naturally be unrelated to gender-affirming care. For instance, an 18 year old having a medically necessary hysterectomy would appear in that sample if they had any history of gender dysphoria/disorder. Similarly, a 12-18 year old female who had a history of gender dysphoria who then had a mammaplasty (breast reduction or augmentation) would appear in these numbers, even if they were cisgender and no longer identified as transgender. Because we're dealing with pretty tiny numbers relative to the population at large, it doesn't take a lot of unique cases like that to really skew things.

[DownInFlames]

There's no reason to bring up that the shooter is trans except to lay blame on their gender for the shooting. Until I see facts that prove what caused them to kill innocent kids I'm just going to keep my thoughts focused on the victims.




edit; wrong thread but still relevent