[Trade] Andersson (50% retained) to Vegas for 27 1st, cond 28 2nd, Whitecloud, Wiebe

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Presumably Conroy had reason to believe that Rasmus was open to an extension with some teams. Either Rasmus had a little change of heart, Conroy didn't read the situation correctly or he was just hoping that someone like Boston would change his mind once they threw big money at him.

In any case, it does feel like a bit of waste of time.

I suspect that it came down to what type of contract he would sign to bypass UFA. He was perhaps open to re-signing, but at a rate that no one was going to go for.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

By the looks of it, there's at least 5 more after this that you can do the same. You might miss 850 Flames goals in that time.

Funny thing is I like a good rebuild. I like watching the kids play and learn the game. So, we're actually heading into what I like about sports.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by getbak

Recently, or in the summer?

Speaking of the summer, what was Vegas rumoured to be offering back then?

2027 1st and Nic Hague

[browna]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

Average mid return. It’s just incredibly boring. Also, Whitecloud is being severely undervalued here. He’s a solid 4-5 D.

Whitecloud is probably the best part of the trade, relatively speaking. Solid defenseman, good contract. Can play right away at an NHL level.
Magic beans that won’t be drafted for a year or two and depending on that development, and the types of players here when those players start the development, is by no mean a sure thing in 3-5 years.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

I wonder when a traded player gets removed from the group chat.

[Spurly]

If Conroy chooses to flip Whitecloud, everyone who was in on Raz. Still needs a deffenceman and he is already signed. Except Vegas.

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/2013042897936060866

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Toonage

2027 1st and Nic Hague

And the LA deal was Carter George (we think) + 1st and maybe another pick.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by CgyFlamesftw

Trade Whitecloud for a 2nd and this trade turns into a win potentially.

Flames just really need to be proactive for once. Market is headed towards extra years being valuable, so if the offers are there, just go for it. But I'm already preparing myself for the "Flames have decided to keep both Whitecloud and Coleman and revisit in the offseason" message at the deadline, just like in the past.

[really?]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Honestly even if they commit to do it by next deadline so the player has 2 playoff runs in him then that's fine.

Sure, but next year they’re in the mix with four teams for the last spot, and Whitecloud is playing on the second pair. I doubt he’s offloaded in that scenario, and that seems like quite familiar territory.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by CgyFlamesftw

Trade Whitecloud for a 2nd and this trade turns into a win potentially.

A second is easy for Whitecloud

He's very comparable to Brandon Carlo, manage it right and you should be able to get a 1st IMO

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I do place some blame on Conroy as it's his responsibility to maximize the return, but I don't think he deserves a lot of blame. Maloney is the liaise to ownership. Why didn't this guy allow this to be done last year? If ownership is pushing for something that's going to be colossally dumb down the road, it's up to Maloney to pitch and gain concurrence that this team isn't in a good position and they need to go a different route. Conroy also has to voice to Disco Don what his concerns are, but as a rookie GM I understand the tough position he is in. He's doing the best he can with the idiots above.

Flames were hoping to sneak a playoff appearance into the middle of a rebuild. It would have been fun.

What did it cost them? They probably could have gotten a better prospect than a 2nd round pick in three years.

I'm pretty sure the organization would value a playoff appearance more than that.

[Southside]

Originally Posted by Spurly

I think once people see Whitecloud, for a half dozen or so games, they will like this trade a lot more.
Conroy did extremely well, for having his hands tied.

He needs to stop getting his hands tied though. The trade is likely ok, but, he needs to stop waiting until UFA year to make decisions on players and getting his hands tied.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by really?

Sure, but next year they’re in the mix with four teams for the last spot, and Whitecloud is playing on the second pair. I doubt he’s offloaded in that scenario, and that seems like quite familiar territory.

Maybe

To me the priority is trading Coleman and Kadri this year:

Do that and your not battling for the final playoff spot next year IMO

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by kobasew19

How’s the 2028 draft class look?

The Regina Pats have a kid named Schultz who is currently 15 and has 8 points in -5 games. Put up 93 points in 44 games in U-18 AAA as a 14 year old.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Look at us rebuild! What other assets can we hold onto until we run the value into the ground? But we got to keep fighting for the 14 overall pick. Its the only way to sell the Flame logo'd blinders that are oh so trendy round these parts.

Not sure if I'm more disappointed in the petty comment or the two that thank'd it.

Standards people.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The real answer now was trading Andersson at the 24 draft. Carlo was a terrible trade by Treliving but shows the value of extra years.

Extra years only have value if the player is playing well. Andersson was pretty bad all of last year, so I don't think an extra year at that point was all that tantalizing.

The best choice was the choice he made. Hope that Andersson would bounce back in a contract year and increase his trade value. Just my opinion, but I think he was worth more now than he was at the end of last season.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Fans have a right to be frustrated.

So be frustrated. No one is stopping you.

But maybe be better than labeling everyone that disagrees with you as a homer/blinders?

[Ped]

No, it's not Misa or Hagens but that was never realistic anyway. Conroy probably did the best he could do with hands that were partially tied. People can argue could have been more last year but that's debatable with the rumoured names being thrown around.


At the end of the day, Andersson is having a great year offensively but struggling defensively slotted too high, so no wonder a team like San Jose wasn't going to pony up for him to go to the same situation, essentially.

[Roof-Daddy]

1. Thank god that's finally over
2. Decent return for a rental
3. Hopefully helps block the oilers but sucks as we have the VGK 1st this year
4. Complainers complaining, what a shock
5. Please trade Coleman now so we don't do this next TDL with him