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Old 01-04-2026, 08:35 PM   #18821
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That may well be. My feeling is that the reason Andersson is still on the Flames is because Conroy's price is a top young C and other GMs are balking at the price.

I hope one of the other GMs blinks first and meets Conroy's price before he has to adjust his ask. Andersson's play right now is definitely helping Conroy's case.



Now that teams are no longer allowed to put trade conditions around players signing an extension, you cannot have a separate "rental" value as the player may decide to sign an extension after the trade and the previous team loses out on that value if they assume he is going to walk to UFA.

From Conroy's perspective he is trading away Andersson and the rights to negotiate with Andersson for the rest of the year. At that point it is up to the other GM to get the extension across the finish line.

I am curious what Andersson thinks his upper offers are expected to be? Does he think he is going to get $10M? Most of us would say that Andersson is better than Bouchard but Bouchard does have 11 more points right now on the season... On the other hand Dobson just got $9.5M (with RFA years included) and they have the same point total right now.

If the Sharks came in and offered him $9.5Mx8, would he sign? I think so.
Here are a few comparables, but instead of looking at the cap-hit I think it's probably better to look at the percentage of the cap it was at the time of signing.
Dobson $9.5M x 8; 9.9%Cap
Chychrun $9.0M x 8; 9.4%Cap
Reilly $7.5M x 8; 9.1%Cap
Provorov $8.5M x 7; 8.9%Cap
Dunn $7.4M x 4; 8.8%Cap
Hanifin $7.4M x 8; 8.4%Cap
Hronek $7.3M x 8; 8.2%Cap
Skjei $7.0M x 7; 8.0%Cap
Miller $7.5M x 8; 7.9%Cap
Theodore $7.4M x 7; 7.8%Cap

I think this firmly places Andersson in the 8-9% range, in a $104M cap it is a cap hit of $8.32M-$9.36M. $9.75 would probably be the top end for Andersson, while $10M+ would likely be the result of a bidding war.
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Old 01-04-2026, 08:40 PM   #18822
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I would do Coleman retained for Geekie straight up.




What am I missing with O'Reilly? His d+2numbers seem poor. Doesn't feel like much more then a throw in.
Would be happy to snag their 2028 1st.
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I could see O'Reilly and a 2nd or 3rd, but not a 1st
I would agree that O’Reilly + 2nd round pick would be a fair trade… but the thing is Conroy needs an overpay for the deal to get done. I don’t think a B+ level prospect + 2nd round pick is an overpay for Coleman - that’s just the normal return he should get IMO. While Tampa (or any team) may not be willing to pay the price of a 1st round pick + B+ level prospect… I think it will take that level of overpay to get Conroy to trade Coleman. Coleman doesn’t want to leave, is signed to a good contract, is a great leader and has been one of the top 4 players on the team this year - Conroy is very unmotivated to move him right now.
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Old 01-04-2026, 08:43 PM   #18824
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O'Reilly + 2nd is essentially a 1st + 2nd

Expecting any more than that for Coleman is wishful thinking, IMO.

I mean, I'm all for it if we can get more.
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Old 01-04-2026, 09:11 PM   #18825
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Woof…just finished reading the last 5 pages (at 60 posts per page, too!). What a colossal waste of time, energy and angst. It’s worse than babysitting my grandkids.

The statements of opinions as facts, the imbuing of certain public media as “speaking for management” (or even having enough insight to know what management is thinking, did or said at ANY TIME) is risible.

Unless one has VERY close ties to management or ownership (and some may do so) it’s all garbage speculation, with no foundation in reality. Some things have been reported as factual…but WE really don’t know if it is, or not…or if it’s a story line spun to media.

Blech.I’ll go back to enjoying the lovely afternoon, the wood fire and a glass of good scotch. And probably stop reading CP’s trade threads for a bit.
Its almost like a message board full of fans talking hockey.
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Old 01-04-2026, 09:18 PM   #18826
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Its almost like a message board full of fans talking hockey.
Yeah, guy voluntarily reads a bunch of ####. Then complains about that #### by posting essentially the same #### he was complaining about. Haha!

The lack of self awareness is staggering.
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Old 01-04-2026, 09:22 PM   #18827
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Here are a few comparables, but instead of looking at the cap-hit I think it's probably better to look at the percentage of the cap it was at the time of signing.
Dobson $9.5M x 8; 9.9%Cap
Chychrun $9.0M x 8; 9.4%Cap
Reilly $7.5M x 8; 9.1%Cap
Provorov $8.5M x 7; 8.9%Cap
Dunn $7.4M x 4; 8.8%Cap
Hanifin $7.4M x 8; 8.4%Cap
Hronek $7.3M x 8; 8.2%Cap
Skjei $7.0M x 7; 8.0%Cap
Miller $7.5M x 8; 7.9%Cap
Theodore $7.4M x 7; 7.8%Cap

I think this firmly places Andersson in the 8-9% range, in a $104M cap it is a cap hit of $8.32M-$9.36M. $9.75 would probably be the top end for Andersson, while $10M+ would likely be the result of a bidding war.
That is a good way to look at it. Also worth considering the projections for the salary cap to keep going up. If the expectations are that it is currently $88M and will go up to $95.5M, $104M, and then $113.5M over the next few seasons then that could adjust Andersson's expectations / demands a fair bit.

He might then think that $10M is a bit of an overpay with today's cap ceiling but in a couple of years it is more inline with his actual value because of the rising cap. $10M is only 8.8% of the $113M cap ceiling projected for 2027-28.

I would think that $9.5M would get it done, especially if a team can give him 8 years at that number ($76M total). A 7 year contract would need to be $10.85M to get the same total number.
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I read somewhere that there may be Mangiapane for Strome swap between Edmonton and Anaheim
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I read somewhere that there may be Mangiapane for Strome swap between Edmonton and Anaheim
Oh man, that's brutal. I feel terrible for Strome even having to hear those rumors. Finally gets out of Edmonton, sees his career flourish, only to be sent back? It's like going back to jail for a crime you didnt commit
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I read somewhere that there may be Mangiapane for Strome swap between Edmonton and Anaheim
Don’t think that the Oilers have the cap space to take on Strome.
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Old 01-04-2026, 09:41 PM   #18831
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Oh man, that's brutal. I feel terrible for Strome even having to hear those rumors. Finally gets out of Edmonton, sees his career flourish, only to be sent back? It's like going back to jail for a crime you didnt commit
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I read somewhere that there may be Mangiapane for Strome swap between Edmonton and Anaheim
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I could see O'Reilly and a 2nd or 3rd, but not a 1st
That’s why I proposed a cup win to be the 1st.
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Its almost like a message board full of fans talking hockey.
If “talking hockey” means making wild and unfounded statements (known as making $&*#@ up) then sure.
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Old 01-04-2026, 11:20 PM   #18835
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I could see O'Reilly and a 2nd or 3rd, but not a 1st
I think they might do it.

Tampa knows their window is closing and I could see them doubling down on bringing back Gourde to try to bring back Coleman too
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O'Reilly + 2nd is essentially a 1st + 2nd

Expecting any more than that for Coleman is wishful thinking, IMO.

I mean, I'm all for it if we can get more.
Yup. O’Reilly is still considered to be a good prospect- I might even go 1-for-1 on that trade.

I would 100% do straight across for Geekie, and I might even add. He’s an “A” prospect at a premium position.

Not sure we get him for an aging vet, no matter how good they are.
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I know there is no way we could get him. But I really want Tij Iginla after this tournament lol.
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Sound like Buffalo poking around on Coleman potentially.
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Old 01-05-2026, 08:35 AM   #18839
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Sound like Buffalo poking around on Coleman potentially.
No chance he doesn’t have Buffalo on his no trade list
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No chance he doesn’t have Buffalo on his no trade list
I'd argue unless they were born in the Buffalo area, just about everyone has Buffalo on their NTC.

Sad truth about a horribly managed franchise.
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