11-01-2025, 09:52 PM
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#11301
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I’d move either for a first but IMO that is highly unlikely.
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11-01-2025, 09:55 PM
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#11302
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Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Thunder Bay Ontario
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I'd keep Zary but I'd trade both for firsts
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11-01-2025, 09:58 PM
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#11303
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Originally Posted by Sandman
I would be hesitant to part with Zary, but I would give up Frost. There are some excellent players in the first round on forward and defense in the draft this summer- the more picks, the merrier. I think there’s a lot more to Zary, but I would have to think about whether or not he will ever fulfill his potential on this team.
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I'm probably in the same boat as you guys, but irrationaly I want a little more than a late 1st. I think both Frost and Zary have shown some great flashes, but I somewhat question the ability of either to take another step with the way the Flames are currently playing.
Frost has been more noticable playing with Huberdeau. He just snapped his 5 game point streak, but he just disappears for a stretch of games. That said, I liked both Huberdeau - Frost - Coronato, and Huberdeau - Kadri - Frost.
On the Zary front, I really like his ability to beat players 1 on 1. That's why I think Zary - Kadri - Sharangovich/Farabee would potentially set Zary up for success.
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11-01-2025, 10:03 PM
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#11304
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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The problem is that Zary isn’t going to break out offensively playing on the fourth line, or sitting in the press box. Maybe he’ll do better with a new coach.
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11-01-2025, 10:13 PM
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#11305
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I agree on the coaching front, but I don't want to take shots at Huska, because Zary has developed and was given a pretty huge opportunity under him.
I do question some of the decisions to rein players in. Like Huska did with Pospisil for taking too many penalties, Pospisil's game of getting under the opposition's skin wasn't the same since. Zary is another guy that needs to build up some swagger despite making some costly mistakes.
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11-01-2025, 10:39 PM
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#11306
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
As to the last paragraph, yes, physical development is an issue. The.answer for that isn't junior, it's being with the Flames trainers.
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Really, the only answer to Parekh's physical development is time. At 19, he's still growing into his frame. The trainers can help him put on muscle, but the skeleton is still a work in progress and there's only so much you can do about that.
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11-02-2025, 12:24 AM
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#11307
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Sandman
The problem is that Zary isn’t going to break out offensively playing on the fourth line, or sitting in the press box. Maybe he’ll do better with a new coach.
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There is a weird epidemic of coaches playing rookies where they do not fit their playing style. I can't remember which GM said that he wasn't going to bring up a player to play the fourth line, if they were a top six player.
(Because of the CPHL) I was watching two call-ups this week. Dvorsky in St. Louis played second line center, but Koivunen in Pittsburgh played on the fourth line. Koivunen floundered like a professional flounder.
Maybe it's the coaching that tells a fourth line to go out and bring energy, and hit people. A fourth line of Zary-Kerins-Klapka, I'd like to see a coach tell them to go out there and score.
Grinders aren't that fun. Is a grinding line necessary in today's NHL?
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11-02-2025, 12:52 AM
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#11308
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Harry Lime
Grinders aren't that fun. Is a grinding line necessary in today's NHL?
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Yes.
The problem with trying to put scorers on your fourth line is that you end up with a fourth line that can't check. (If they could do both, they would be on a higher line to begin with.) A fourth line that can't check doesn't get possession of the puck to do anything with it. You can't score by being hemmed in your own zone, or by fishing the puck out of your own net.
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11-02-2025, 01:44 AM
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#11309
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Originally Posted by Rhett44
The reason no one has been moved is likely because the ownership/management are still holding on to hope that this is a playoff team. Elliott Friedman has said as much, that the Flames do not want to rebuild and went into the season thinking they were a few pieces away.
Yes, it seems unbelievable but this is Murray Edwards lol.
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There are rarely trades at this time of year...you must be the worst poker player on earth
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11-02-2025, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Rhett44
The reason no one has been moved is likely because the ownership/management are still holding on to hope that this is a playoff team. Elliott Friedman has said as much, that the Flames do not want to rebuild and went into the season thinking they were a few pieces away.
Yes, it seems unbelievable but this is Murray Edwards lol.
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I think what is more telling about how the Flames see this season has less to do with the fact that they haven’t made a trade yet it is the fact that Conroy himself was recently in attendance at a UND game to watch, firsthand, Cole Reschny and Keaton Verhoeff.it sounds like they are already scouting, heavily I would imagine, the top of this years draft.
The trades will come and it has already been widely acknowledged that a deal for Andersson was in place with LA. Obviously that fell through but it wasn’t because of Conroy or the Flames.
My guess is Andersson will get traded and I’m also starting to believe more and more that another trade will be made to make rom for Grindin, at least, before season’s end (LHS winger-Zary, Farabee, or Posposil). Kadri and Coleman I’m less convinced they will get moved. We’ll see, just my hunch at the moment.
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11-02-2025, 08:16 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by TOfan
I think what is more telling about how the Flames see this season has less to do with the fact that they haven’t made a trade yet it is the fact that Conroy himself was recently in attendance at a UND game to watch, firsthand, Cole Reschny and Keaton Verhoeff.it sounds like they are already scouting, heavily I would imagine, the top of this years draft.
The trades will come and it has already been widely acknowledged that a deal for Andersson was in place with LA. Obviously that fell through but it wasn’t because of Conroy or the Flames.
My guess is Andersson will get traded and I’m also starting to believe more and more that another trade will be made to make rom for Grindin, at least, before season’s end (LHS winger-Zary, Farabee, or Posposil). Kadri and Coleman I’m less convinced they will get moved. We’ll see, just my hunch at the moment.
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All teams scout year round, even in the summer at the Hlinka.
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11-02-2025, 08:56 AM
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#11312
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by gvitaly
In the scenario where the Flames trade Kadri.
If a contending team offered CGY a late 1st at the deadline for one of Frost, or Zary, would you take it? Also which one would you prefer to trade? Or do you prefer to see what they will do with the increased ice time?
For context Frost was selected 27th overall, Zary was selected 24th overall.
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Frost cost a 2nd round pick, and since he joined the Flames he’s been a 25 point pace player, and his value has certainly not increased.
So yeah, you take a 1st for him gladly.
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11-02-2025, 09:02 AM
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#11313
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by The Cobra
Frost cost a 2nd round pick, and since he joined the Flames he’s been a 25 point pace player, and his value has certainly not increased.
So yeah, you take a 1st for him gladly.
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Zary is also not worth a 1st at this point. If someone offers you a 1st for either player you drive them to the airport immediately.
Zary is highly overrated here. I like his effort sometimes but he is a middle six player at best. He would be a third or fourth liner on a good team.
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11-02-2025, 09:11 AM
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#11314
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Jiggy
All teams scout year round, even in the summer at the Hlinka.
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Sure, but how many GM’s are going to watch prospects in October? Seems like a pretty intentional trip to me.
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11-02-2025, 09:24 AM
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#11316
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
Yes.
The problem with trying to put scorers on your fourth line is that you end up with a fourth line that can't check. (If they could do both, they would be on a higher line to begin with.) A fourth line that can't check doesn't get possession of the puck to do anything with it. You can't score by being hemmed in your own zone, or by fishing the puck out of your own net.
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All true, but even beyond possession a solid checking line just wears on the opposition. Games are won a shift at a time and rolling over the boards to be dealing with Clutterbuck/Martin/Cizikas was …… unpleasant, especially for the D.
Tying this into trade talk, some have suggested dealing Pospisil, but he is one of the few guys on the roster who’s a problem for the others in the sandbox. Clearly availability is an issue, but the Flames need to bolster the roster with guys like this, not move on from them.
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11-02-2025, 09:44 AM
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#11317
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This team is quite likely on the descent of a rebuild, not the ascent. Yes culture counts for something but this team really needs to focus on acquiring talent. There is not nearly enough of it. And the organization needs to figure out how to build culture without icing a good team.
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11-02-2025, 09:58 AM
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#11318
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TOfan
Sure, but how many GM’s are going to watch prospects in October? Seems like a pretty intentional trip to me.
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Why wouldn't they? Of the countless number of duties a GM has to perform, is there something that says scouting is one of those not to be included during the month of October?
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11-02-2025, 10:14 AM
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#11319
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by D as in David
Why wouldn't they? Of the countless number of duties a GM has to perform, is there something that says scouting is one of those not to be included during the month of October?
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So what’s the point here?
You don’t think Conroy going to watch Verheoff firsthand isn’t noteworthy? Okay, fine. I think it suggests where the Flames think they’re headed.
Nor did I say GM’s can’t or don’t see prospects/draft eligible players in October. Of course they do. That said, I doubt Jim Nill or Julien Bresbois, for example, is flying out to some college town to watch Vereoff. As you said yourself, GM’s have countless duties so they need to be a bit judicious with their time. So I’ll stand by what I said, Conroy going to watch Vereoff at this point in time is a point of interest.
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11-02-2025, 11:23 AM
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#11320
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Originally Posted by TOfan
So what’s the point here?
You don’t think Conroy going to watch Verheoff firsthand isn’t noteworthy? Okay, fine. I think it suggests where the Flames think they’re headed.
Nor did I say GM’s can’t or don’t see prospects/draft eligible players in October. Of course they do. That said, I doubt Jim Nill or Julien Bresbois, for example, is flying out to some college town to watch Vereoff. As you said yourself, GM’s have countless duties so they need to be a bit judicious with their time. So I’ll stand by what I said, Conroy going to watch Vereoff at this point in time is a point of interest.
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Is it noteworthy? At this time? Possibly, but this might have been scheduled ahead of time as part of Conroy's viewing of whichever potential first few round picks that he planned to see. It seemed to me that you're assuming that his scouting of this game is indicative of a sea change to the Flames' approach to the season because of their poor start. I think you're reading too much into it but I could be wrong.
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