Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Go Back   Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community > Main Forums > Fire on Ice: The Calgary Flames Forum
Register Forum Rules FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 11-01-2025, 09:52 PM   #11301
Strange Brew
Franchise Player
 
Strange Brew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Exp:
Default

I’d move either for a first but IMO that is highly unlikely.
Strange Brew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-01-2025, 09:55 PM   #11302
Poe969
Franchise Player
 
Poe969's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Thunder Bay Ontario
Exp:
Default

I'd keep Zary but I'd trade both for firsts
__________________
Fan of the Flames, where being OK has become OK.
Poe969 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-01-2025, 09:58 PM   #11303
gvitaly
Franchise Player
 
gvitaly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman View Post
I would be hesitant to part with Zary, but I would give up Frost. There are some excellent players in the first round on forward and defense in the draft this summer- the more picks, the merrier. I think there’s a lot more to Zary, but I would have to think about whether or not he will ever fulfill his potential on this team.
I'm probably in the same boat as you guys, but irrationaly I want a little more than a late 1st. I think both Frost and Zary have shown some great flashes, but I somewhat question the ability of either to take another step with the way the Flames are currently playing.

Frost has been more noticable playing with Huberdeau. He just snapped his 5 game point streak, but he just disappears for a stretch of games. That said, I liked both Huberdeau - Frost - Coronato, and Huberdeau - Kadri - Frost.

On the Zary front, I really like his ability to beat players 1 on 1. That's why I think Zary - Kadri - Sharangovich/Farabee would potentially set Zary up for success.
gvitaly is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to gvitaly For This Useful Post:
Old 11-01-2025, 10:03 PM   #11304
Sandman
Franchise Player
 
Sandman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

The problem is that Zary isn’t going to break out offensively playing on the fourth line, or sitting in the press box. Maybe he’ll do better with a new coach.
Sandman is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Sandman For This Useful Post:
Old 11-01-2025, 10:13 PM   #11305
gvitaly
Franchise Player
 
gvitaly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Exp:
Default

I agree on the coaching front, but I don't want to take shots at Huska, because Zary has developed and was given a pretty huge opportunity under him.

I do question some of the decisions to rein players in. Like Huska did with Pospisil for taking too many penalties, Pospisil's game of getting under the opposition's skin wasn't the same since. Zary is another guy that needs to build up some swagger despite making some costly mistakes.
gvitaly is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to gvitaly For This Useful Post:
Old 11-01-2025, 10:39 PM   #11306
Jay Random
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root View Post
As to the last paragraph, yes, physical development is an issue. The.answer for that isn't junior, it's being with the Flames trainers.
Really, the only answer to Parekh's physical development is time. At 19, he's still growing into his frame. The trainers can help him put on muscle, but the skeleton is still a work in progress and there's only so much you can do about that.
__________________
WARNING: The preceding message may not have been processed in a sarcasm-free facility.
Jay Random is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Jay Random For This Useful Post:
Old 11-02-2025, 12:24 AM   #11307
Harry Lime
Franchise Player
 
Harry Lime's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman View Post
The problem is that Zary isn’t going to break out offensively playing on the fourth line, or sitting in the press box. Maybe he’ll do better with a new coach.
There is a weird epidemic of coaches playing rookies where they do not fit their playing style. I can't remember which GM said that he wasn't going to bring up a player to play the fourth line, if they were a top six player.

(Because of the CPHL) I was watching two call-ups this week. Dvorsky in St. Louis played second line center, but Koivunen in Pittsburgh played on the fourth line. Koivunen floundered like a professional flounder.

Maybe it's the coaching that tells a fourth line to go out and bring energy, and hit people. A fourth line of Zary-Kerins-Klapka, I'd like to see a coach tell them to go out there and score.

Grinders aren't that fun. Is a grinding line necessary in today's NHL?
__________________
"By Grabthar's hammer ... what a savings."
Harry Lime is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Harry Lime For This Useful Post:
Old 11-02-2025, 12:52 AM   #11308
Jay Random
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Lime View Post
Grinders aren't that fun. Is a grinding line necessary in today's NHL?
Yes.

The problem with trying to put scorers on your fourth line is that you end up with a fourth line that can't check. (If they could do both, they would be on a higher line to begin with.) A fourth line that can't check doesn't get possession of the puck to do anything with it. You can't score by being hemmed in your own zone, or by fishing the puck out of your own net.
__________________
WARNING: The preceding message may not have been processed in a sarcasm-free facility.
Jay Random is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Jay Random For This Useful Post:
Old 11-02-2025, 01:44 AM   #11309
dino7c
Franchise Player
 
dino7c's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhett44 View Post
The reason no one has been moved is likely because the ownership/management are still holding on to hope that this is a playoff team. Elliott Friedman has said as much, that the Flames do not want to rebuild and went into the season thinking they were a few pieces away.

Yes, it seems unbelievable but this is Murray Edwards lol.
There are rarely trades at this time of year...you must be the worst poker player on earth
__________________
GFG
dino7c is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to dino7c For This Useful Post:
Old 11-02-2025, 07:53 AM   #11310
TOfan
#1 Goaltender
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhett44 View Post
The reason no one has been moved is likely because the ownership/management are still holding on to hope that this is a playoff team. Elliott Friedman has said as much, that the Flames do not want to rebuild and went into the season thinking they were a few pieces away.

Yes, it seems unbelievable but this is Murray Edwards lol.
I think what is more telling about how the Flames see this season has less to do with the fact that they haven’t made a trade yet it is the fact that Conroy himself was recently in attendance at a UND game to watch, firsthand, Cole Reschny and Keaton Verhoeff.it sounds like they are already scouting, heavily I would imagine, the top of this years draft.

The trades will come and it has already been widely acknowledged that a deal for Andersson was in place with LA. Obviously that fell through but it wasn’t because of Conroy or the Flames.

My guess is Andersson will get traded and I’m also starting to believe more and more that another trade will be made to make rom for Grindin, at least, before season’s end (LHS winger-Zary, Farabee, or Posposil). Kadri and Coleman I’m less convinced they will get moved. We’ll see, just my hunch at the moment.

Last edited by TOfan; 11-02-2025 at 08:02 AM.
TOfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2025, 08:16 AM   #11311
Jiggy
Powerplay Quarterback
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TOfan View Post
I think what is more telling about how the Flames see this season has less to do with the fact that they haven’t made a trade yet it is the fact that Conroy himself was recently in attendance at a UND game to watch, firsthand, Cole Reschny and Keaton Verhoeff.it sounds like they are already scouting, heavily I would imagine, the top of this years draft.

The trades will come and it has already been widely acknowledged that a deal for Andersson was in place with LA. Obviously that fell through but it wasn’t because of Conroy or the Flames.

My guess is Andersson will get traded and I’m also starting to believe more and more that another trade will be made to make rom for Grindin, at least, before season’s end (LHS winger-Zary, Farabee, or Posposil). Kadri and Coleman I’m less convinced they will get moved. We’ll see, just my hunch at the moment.
All teams scout year round, even in the summer at the Hlinka.
Jiggy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2025, 08:56 AM   #11312
The Cobra
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gvitaly View Post
In the scenario where the Flames trade Kadri.

If a contending team offered CGY a late 1st at the deadline for one of Frost, or Zary, would you take it? Also which one would you prefer to trade? Or do you prefer to see what they will do with the increased ice time?

For context Frost was selected 27th overall, Zary was selected 24th overall.
Frost cost a 2nd round pick, and since he joined the Flames he’s been a 25 point pace player, and his value has certainly not increased.

So yeah, you take a 1st for him gladly.
The Cobra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2025, 09:02 AM   #11313
Sofa GM
First Line Centre
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra View Post
Frost cost a 2nd round pick, and since he joined the Flames he’s been a 25 point pace player, and his value has certainly not increased.

So yeah, you take a 1st for him gladly.
Zary is also not worth a 1st at this point. If someone offers you a 1st for either player you drive them to the airport immediately.

Zary is highly overrated here. I like his effort sometimes but he is a middle six player at best. He would be a third or fourth liner on a good team.
Sofa GM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2025, 09:11 AM   #11314
TOfan
#1 Goaltender
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiggy View Post
All teams scout year round, even in the summer at the Hlinka.
Sure, but how many GM’s are going to watch prospects in October? Seems like a pretty intentional trip to me.
TOfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2025, 09:24 AM   #11315
Pickle Juice
Crash and Bang Winger
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Exp:
Default

We still need to ice a team next year, and there’s real value in breaking a losing culture. That might explain why some organizations remain stuck in that cycle year after year. I’m not suggesting Frost or Zary are guaranteed to lead us through what appears to be a longer rebuild than expected, but we shouldn’t be moving on from young talent simply because this season isn’t going as planned. Trading either of those players would likely set us back at least three years before seeing anyone ready to step in.

I’m fine with this year being one where we’re in the lottery conversation, and possibly next year as well. But beyond that, I want to see a roster with the potential to compete. Let Andersson go if necessary, and regarding Kadri—if a team meets Conroy’s asking price, that’s acceptable. However, Kadri is someone who wants to be here and is committed to helping turn things around. I can’t recall who said it, but I completely agree: Kadri feels like the type of player who will remain connected to Calgary after his career and become part of the alumni.
Pickle Juice is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Pickle Juice For This Useful Post:
Old 11-02-2025, 09:24 AM   #11316
really?
Scoring Winger
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Random View Post
Yes.

The problem with trying to put scorers on your fourth line is that you end up with a fourth line that can't check. (If they could do both, they would be on a higher line to begin with.) A fourth line that can't check doesn't get possession of the puck to do anything with it. You can't score by being hemmed in your own zone, or by fishing the puck out of your own net.
All true, but even beyond possession a solid checking line just wears on the opposition. Games are won a shift at a time and rolling over the boards to be dealing with Clutterbuck/Martin/Cizikas was …… unpleasant, especially for the D.

Tying this into trade talk, some have suggested dealing Pospisil, but he is one of the few guys on the roster who’s a problem for the others in the sandbox. Clearly availability is an issue, but the Flames need to bolster the roster with guys like this, not move on from them.
really? is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to really? For This Useful Post:
Old 11-02-2025, 09:44 AM   #11317
Strange Brew
Franchise Player
 
Strange Brew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Exp:
Default

This team is quite likely on the descent of a rebuild, not the ascent. Yes culture counts for something but this team really needs to focus on acquiring talent. There is not nearly enough of it. And the organization needs to figure out how to build culture without icing a good team.
Strange Brew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2025, 09:58 AM   #11318
D as in David
Franchise Player
 
D as in David's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TOfan View Post
Sure, but how many GM’s are going to watch prospects in October? Seems like a pretty intentional trip to me.
Why wouldn't they? Of the countless number of duties a GM has to perform, is there something that says scouting is one of those not to be included during the month of October?
__________________
"9 out of 10 concerns are completely unfounded."

"The first thing that goes when you lose your hands, are your fine motor skills."
D as in David is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2025, 10:14 AM   #11319
TOfan
#1 Goaltender
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by D as in David View Post
Why wouldn't they? Of the countless number of duties a GM has to perform, is there something that says scouting is one of those not to be included during the month of October?
So what’s the point here?

You don’t think Conroy going to watch Verheoff firsthand isn’t noteworthy? Okay, fine. I think it suggests where the Flames think they’re headed.

Nor did I say GM’s can’t or don’t see prospects/draft eligible players in October. Of course they do. That said, I doubt Jim Nill or Julien Bresbois, for example, is flying out to some college town to watch Vereoff. As you said yourself, GM’s have countless duties so they need to be a bit judicious with their time. So I’ll stand by what I said, Conroy going to watch Vereoff at this point in time is a point of interest.
TOfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2025, 11:23 AM   #11320
D as in David
Franchise Player
 
D as in David's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TOfan View Post
So what’s the point here?

You don’t think Conroy going to watch Verheoff firsthand isn’t noteworthy? Okay, fine. I think it suggests where the Flames think they’re headed.

Nor did I say GM’s can’t or don’t see prospects/draft eligible players in October. Of course they do. That said, I doubt Jim Nill or Julien Bresbois, for example, is flying out to some college town to watch Vereoff. As you said yourself, GM’s have countless duties so they need to be a bit judicious with their time. So I’ll stand by what I said, Conroy going to watch Vereoff at this point in time is a point of interest.
Is it noteworthy? At this time? Possibly, but this might have been scheduled ahead of time as part of Conroy's viewing of whichever potential first few round picks that he planned to see. It seemed to me that you're assuming that his scouting of this game is indicative of a sea change to the Flames' approach to the season because of their poor start. I think you're reading too much into it but I could be wrong.
__________________
"9 out of 10 concerns are completely unfounded."

"The first thing that goes when you lose your hands, are your fine motor skills."
D as in David is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:52 PM.

Calgary Flames
2024-25




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Calgarypuck 2021 | See Our Privacy Policy