Just to be clear, my position is that an intoxicated person inappropriately touching someone else can be attributed as a "lapse of judgement with immediate regret". Also of note, if the 16 yo was okay with it, it's more of a grey area because the issue in part becomes whether or not she's allowed to consent and whether Kesler knew she was 16 or not.
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This actually might be the most egregious opinion of them all!
Ha, fair. I actually liked how he played a chippy and fast game. Those are the players who I really enjoy cheering for and cheering against. Pushed the boundaries a significant amount but also had obvious skill in doing so.
That being said just because someone is good at a sport doesn't make them someone to look up to. If this is true then he is obviously a ####ty person who did some really ####ty things. I don't know if this is a hockey culture thing, a wider problem for how men act in our society thing, or just a ####ty person type of thing.
Just to be clear, my position is that an intoxicated person inappropriately touching someone else can be attributed as a "lapse of judgement with immediate regret". Also of note, if the 16 yo was okay with it, it's more of a grey area because the issue in part becomes whether or not she's allowed to consent and whether Kesler knew she was 16 or not.
I saw something similar at a gentlemen's club just last week where the guy got a little handsy and the dancer had to be like "no touching" and the gentleman got reprimanded and apologized. And then people moved on. No one seemed traumatized or severely violated. I'm not 100% sure as I didn't ask the dancer, but I'm going back to blondies tmrw, so can ask her if she's working.
I'm not advocating that he should be excused under the law, but it's a misdemeanor charge for forth degree assault for a reason. The law is the law. And the law implies a fourth degree assault is less bad than a third degree assault. And a third degree assault is less bad than second degree assault. And second degree assault is less bad than first degree assault. Fifth degree sexual assault is probably wanking in front people or being a Franky flasher or mooning people out the window of a vehicle. It's less bad than fourth degree.
So the idea of this going to trial seems absurd to me when he probably just plead out and apologize or do an online course.
Sorry but what the #### are you taking about. First he was 40 at the time it happened... if he is touching a teenager it is really ####ing gross at baseline. I don't care if he thought that she was 17 or 18... doesn't matter to me. He touched a ####ing child in a sexual manner.
As for going to a "gentleman's club" (cool by the way), seems like a different conversation and frankly that is also sexual assault in my books. If you have uninvited sexual contact with someone it is sexual assault and that is fully unacceptable in my view at least - even if he was reprimanded.
You come off as a creep and someone I would warn people not to be around.
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I think you have to be deeply, deeply sick/ ####ed up to be a very wealthy, in relatively good shape 40 year old and prey upon a teenager. EVEN IF you were dead set on being a dirty old man, you have the means and ability to attract an early 20s (perfectly legal, still morally abhorrent) young women to tickle your fancy or whatever.
Preying upon a teenager indicates that it's not even attraction to young women which drove this, but just straight attraction to being a predator. Disgusting stuff.
you have the means and ability to attract an early 20s (perfectly legal, still morally abhorrent) young women
Wait, when does it stop being morally abhorrent, just want to be clear on this... like are we still doing half your age plus seven or
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Again, its not even clear this person is a teenager. My read of the situation is that the misdemeanor charger is an "AND/OR" situation.
The victim is 13-16 AND/OR Force or coercion used AND/OR Victim is mentally incapable or mentally incapacitated AND/OR victim is physically helpless Asleep or unconscious.
So it could be as simple as two drunk adults and Kesler misreads the situation and smacks her bum. Or maybe the lady regrets if after and is like "NO I NEVER GAVE HIM EXPLICIT CONSENT HE"S RUINING MY MARRIAGE HE GOT ME DRUNK." That would fit the charges.
Or it could be as bad as 13-year old is sleeping and Kesler is like "yummy let me feel her up". Which is really bad obviously and gross.
We're not going to know until November 6 when we learn of probable cause. But just based on knowing what most people are like, I'm assuming it looks more like the former than the latter.
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Wait, when does it stop being morally abhorrent, just want to be clear on this... like are we still doing half your age plus seven or
Yeah, I dunno, mileage may vary. But for me if you have kids that are dramatically closer in age to the person you're with then that's too far, independent of the half + 7 rule. And I think the half + 7 rule can be played fast and loose if all parties are, say, over 30. That seems arbitrary but I feel like most people are world worn enough by 30 that you can't reasonably say anyone is being unfairly taken advantage of or deceived.
In any case, touching a teenager as a 40 year old rich dude is unbelievably perverse. Stupidly perverse. So perverse given the means and ability that the predatory nature must be the reason for the perversity.
Again, its not even clear this person is a teenager. My read of the situation is that the misdemeanor charger is an "AND/OR" situation.
The victim is 13-16 AND/OR Force or coercion used AND/OR Victim is mentally incapable or mentally incapacitated AND/OR victim is physically helpless Asleep or unconscious.
So it could be as simple as two drunk adults and Kesler misreads the situation and smacks her bum. Or maybe the lady regrets if after and is like "NO I NEVER GAVE HIM EXPLICIT CONSENT HE"S RUINING MY MARRIAGE HE GOT ME DRUNK." That would fit the charges.
Or it could be as bad as 13-year old is sleeping and Kesler is like "yummy let me feel her up". Which is really bad obviously and gross.
We're not going to know until November 6 when we learn of probable cause. But just based on knowing what most people are like, I'm assuming it looks more like the former than the latter.
I know social media comments really need to be taken with a grain of salt because anyone can say anything and just make things up, but one of the comments in Twitter said the alleged victim was a friend of his daughter, which would probably put her in the teenage years. Again, who knows if that is true, but that seems to be the rumour.
Either way, in none of those "either/or" scenarios does is judgement a thing. Lack of judgement suggests that it was a mistake based off ignorance or a lack of information. In all the possible situations mentioned, the person should reasonably have all the information they need and would have to actively decide to do the wrong thing. The only scenario I could think would make lack of judgement plausible is if the person portrayed herself convincingly as being older, but if the rumour is true, that doesn't seem like a likely scenario.
I can agree that it's possible that he is innocent and to keep part of your mind open to that possibility, but nothing about the charges themselves have an escape clause that justifies anything. Just have to let the system sort it out.
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Again, its not even clear this person is a teenager. My read of the situation is that the misdemeanor charger is an "AND/OR" situation.
The victim is 13-16 AND/OR Force or coercion used AND/OR Victim is mentally incapable or mentally incapacitated AND/OR victim is physically helpless Asleep or unconscious.
So it could be as simple as two drunk adults and Kesler misreads the situation and smacks her bum. Or maybe the lady regrets if after and is like "NO I NEVER GAVE HIM EXPLICIT CONSENT HE"S RUINING MY MARRIAGE HE GOT ME DRUNK." That would fit the charges.
Or it could be as bad as 13-year old is sleeping and Kesler is like "yummy let me feel her up". Which is really bad obviously and gross.
We're not going to know until November 6 when we learn of probable cause. But just based on knowing what most people are like, I'm assuming it looks more like the former than the latter.
Or you could go with the clear information provided that she was 16.
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Just to be clear, my position is that an intoxicated person inappropriately touching someone else can be attributed as a "lapse of judgement with immediate regret". Also of note, if the 16 yo was okay with it, it's more of a grey area because the issue in part becomes whether or not she's allowed to consent and whether Kesler knew she was 16 or not.
I saw something similar at a gentlemen's club just last week where the guy got a little handsy and the dancer had to be like "no touching" and the gentleman got reprimanded and apologized. And then people moved on. No one seemed traumatized or severely violated. I'm not 100% sure as I didn't ask the dancer, but I'm going back to blondies tmrw, so can ask her if she's working.
I'm not advocating that he should be excused under the law, but it's a misdemeanor charge for forth degree assault for a reason. The law is the law. And the law implies a fourth degree assault is less bad than a third degree assault. And a third degree assault is less bad than second degree assault. And second degree assault is less bad than first degree assault. Fifth degree sexual assault is probably wanking in front people or being a Franky flasher or mooning people out the window of a vehicle. It's less bad than fourth degree.
So the idea of this going to trial seems absurd to me when he probably just plead out and apologize or do an online course.
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Again, its not even clear this person is a teenager. My read of the situation is that the misdemeanor charger is an "AND/OR" situation.
The victim is 13-16 AND/OR Force or coercion used AND/OR Victim is mentally incapable or mentally incapacitated AND/OR victim is physically helpless Asleep or unconscious.
So it could be as simple as two drunk adults and Kesler misreads the situation and smacks her bum. Or maybe the lady regrets if after and is like "NO I NEVER GAVE HIM EXPLICIT CONSENT HE"S RUINING MY MARRIAGE HE GOT ME DRUNK." That would fit the charges.
Or it could be as bad as 13-year old is sleeping and Kesler is like "yummy let me feel her up". Which is really bad obviously and gross.
We're not going to know until November 6 when we learn of probable cause. But just based on knowing what most people are like, I'm assuming it looks more like the former than the latter.
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Yeah, I dunno, mileage may vary. But for me if you have kids that are dramatically closer in age to the person you're with then that's too far, independent of the half + 7 rule. And I think the half + 7 rule can be played fast and loose if all parties are, say, over 30. That seems arbitrary but I feel like most people are world worn enough by 30 that you can't reasonably say anyone is being unfairly taken advantage of or deceived.
In any case, touching a teenager as a 40 year old rich dude is unbelievably perverse. Stupidly perverse. So perverse given the means and ability that the predatory nature must be the reason for the perversity.
I don’t know if I’d classify a 40/20 relationship as “morally abhorrent” but I think, at best, it’s extremely weird and says some pretty gross, negative things about the mental maturity and interests of the older person. I think most people can agree with your position here that there hits a certain point where you’re kind of done developing mentally and physically AND you have relatable world experience that makes age pretty meaningless. A 60/40 relationship is wildly different than a 40/20 one for that reason.
A 40 year old touching a 16 year old, however, is definitely morally abhorrent. Regardless of whether it was legal/consensual (which, in this case, it was not).
The extra layer of it being his daughter’s same-aged teenage friend pushes it further into that extremely gross, predatory territory.
Likewise, I find the Gull/Jay positions that this behaviour could be excusable or justified based on the law extremely icky. I mean yes, technically it could be legal for a 16 year old to consent to a 40 year old, but to the 40 year old: what the #### is wrong with you?
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